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/fsbog/ - Freelancer and Small Business Owner General

Welcome to the Bog.

/fsbog/ is the general thread for freelance and small business ownership discussion. Make money online? Do odd jobs around your neighborhood? Mow lawns? Run a small eCommerce business? Thinking about opening a computer repair business in your area? This is the thread for you.

Let's talk the lifestyle, the expectations, the limitations, and pain and struggle of not knowing when your next paycheck is when times are rough, and the sweet freedom of working for yourself.

Resources, tips, personal experiences and stories all welcome.

Fuck Tim Ferriss.

So you need to make money online, and you need it quick
Nothing comes quick in this world, Alice (at least not usually). If you need cash, I'd recommend looking into a conventional 9-5 or even flipping burgers. This lifestyle isn't for everyone, but it is for some people.

Another option is pawning off anything that you don't use, any old or broken technology you don't want to repair on Ebay. Clean out a room in your house and you'd be surprised what kind of stuff you can find to hock online and even more surprised as to the kind of money it could add up to.

>Fuck this, I want to start making some money online right now.

If you really want to, there are lots of Fiverr-style marketplaces online where you can make a decent income just doing menial shit for people like fake product reviews and testimonials. Success in this however largely depends on your ability to sell yourself well and pimp your profile for good ratings so that you become more visible to future customers. I'd recommend starting out with an incredibly low rate on any of these marketplaces or even offer free services to customers in exchange for good reviews. No one said it was going to be easy.

>I really want to make money for myself online freelance or start a business

Look offline, too. Look in your local area for odd jobs. Could make yourself a decent chunk of change, Alice. If you're prepared to do some heavy lifting, lawn mowing, helping people clean out their ratty old homes and garages, you could walk away with cash in hand to spend on stuff you need or better yet re-invest it making more money online.

Here are some ideas for possible online business opportunities that could net you some cash, in no particular order:
>Virtual odd jobs and bullshit like Fiverr (This can actually add up to quite a bit if you get good at it)
>Copywriting for clients. Write some emails to small businesses or hit up a copywriting marketplace online for work that pays around 1 USD/100 words on average.
>Mechanical turk work and data entry. Can be soul-breakingly boring, but if you're already at that point, what does it matter?
>Camwhoring. If you're female or even male and moderately attractive, this might actually be a viable option. If you need cash, more power to you.
>More illicit options are also available for the capable and motivated. Consider hiring out OSINT services to rich, spoiled gamers who want to get revenge on people who beat them at League of Legends. Yes, this is real. Yes, it is ridiculous.
>eCommerce or Amazon affiliate stuff. If you're any good at SEO, you'll make a decent living doing this if you're willing to invest some time and money into building and ranking an online property.
>Design and development services. A lot of people are hiring out to India and China for shit like this now, but if you're willing to work for prices that you may find personally insulting, there could be some entry-level options for you. Upwork, formerly Odesk, is a good place to look.
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Climate Change Apocalypse

Humans are destroying the planet with carbon emissions, contamination, deforestation, poaching, and a million other things. We're literally facing another mass extinction and there's nothing we nothing we can do about it: major corporations/factories release the vast majority of carbon emissions, so recycling and reducing our own carbon footprint can only do so much.

Can technology really save us? Is Earth as we know it really salvageable?
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Online Disinformation Campaigns

I want to talk about the breaking up of our online communities. Over the years we've observed many communities disintegrate. The story is familiar at this point. It starts small and tight-knit. Centered around high quality content, civil discussion, DIY ethic, an activist mindset, and accepting different modes of thought. Gradually over time, though, the community grows and starts to attract a new type of member. Trollish, close-minded, often racist/misogynist/anti-semitic, infatuated with soykaf-posting and surface aesthetics instead of substantive thought.

One hypothesis might be that when communities start out, they are self-selected and therefore defined by a common set of values and mutual respect. The more they grow, the less self-selection occurs and the dynamic becomes more dominated by populist values and groupthink. In other words, as the size of a community grows, the more it comes to resemble the population at large. I don't believe this is actually the case. While I believe intolerance and small-mindedness are widespread, I don't believe if you took a random sample of the population you would see represented the kind of reactionary, conspiracy-theoretic politics espoused by the community members I refer to.

Rather, I believe it is an intentional disinformation campaign, designed to break up select communities that would otherwise be capable of organizing a resistance against centralized power. We saw this when 4chan and Anonymous were infiltrated by Stormfront and /pol/ became a breeding ground for disinformation. We saw this with the degradation in quality of 8chan and Lainchan. Our community is increasingly fractured and spread across multiple imageboards, effectively preventing the organization and scaling up of our creative projects.

We need to reverse the tides. The first step is recognizing when a legitimate conversation or project is being disrupted by disinformation. Don't feed the trolls, ignore incendiary comments of no content. Reject all arguments founded purely on grounds of race, sex, religion, or identity politics. The only comments that deserve the reward of acknowledgement are those based on fact, backed up by data, and that contribute constructively to some creative endeavor. Let's stop bickering about ideology and start organizing. Let's produce work that helps to disrupt and dismantle all forms of centralized power.

I know these words have been said in different forms by different people in the past. I don't make a claim to originality, only to the desire to continue discussing and organizing and fighting back against the ugliness that has made the web a shadow of what it once was.
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What are your thoughts about Libra?
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I found this kind of intersting article on "seventh wave feminism". To summarize, it's against technological progress that has the potential to make women biologically and socially obsolete as a group. They're against artificial wombs/ectogenesis, sex robots, gestational surrogacy and egg donation,
>the quest for immortality, genetic engineering of humans, embodiment of human spirit in machine, creation of artificial life, cross-organism genetic engineering, cross-species gestation, and all the many variants of these things
Basically feminist luddites with all the crap that comes with both of those. Do you think this'll just be a fringe thing, or will it spread? People laugh if you bring up the possiblity of women's special status being revoked, but when it actually happens I can see it being an issue.
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Huawei ban

What do you think about Huawei getting blacklisted?
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GPL is revocable, Discuss on G

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fiat to crypto

Is there a eCommerce service that allows customers to pay by credit/debit but converts it to crypto currency for the seller?
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How does Alice make money?

Is there still money to be made from freelance?

Is there a way to escape the corporate nightmare?
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Startup forming.

Hello Alice, I'm very interested in startups and startup forming. I know some people were interested in doing a LainCorp in another thread but that seemed to be more of a consulting-type company that people just work together collectively on consulting projects that come their way. So I thought I would make a thread about starting/funding startups in general.

Me Personally:
I've helped friends start/form several projects in various different ways, I've helped people do pitches to investors, write business plans and other documentation, worked on minimum viable products, etc. A few of the projects I helped along actually got pitched to investors and a few of them got funded.

If Alice has any ideas I'd be interested to help work on cool projects with cool people.
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Hey guys long time lurker. I used to post on lainchan before appleman123 bought and I used to contribute code to some of your guys repos and attend that IRC that you guys had on lain.

I work as a eCommerce specialist, I list, edit, maintain, sell, make the images for the products, Buy and sell products on every single mainstream eCommerce platform. (amazon, ebay, Rakuten, etc.) I am good at listing products and I know how strategically do price changes for my products. Personally I feel like I am lacking the creative writing. Sometimes I forget how to sell a product through text. My mind just goes blank. I am very energetic and persuasive in person but my mind seems to wander when I have to put it into words. How can I improve?

Thanks I love you all. You guys helped me get a good deal on a thinkpad a few years back and I haven't forgot about it.
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Arisu Businesses

Anyone here run any businesses/websites? What do you do? How profitable are you?

When the future makes cyberpunk reality do you really want to be an impoverished street-groveller or Zaibatsu CEO oppressing nerds left and right?
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Can we have a cryptocurrency thread? I don't know if this is the board, cryptocoins are pretty /cyb/ though.

Do you use any form of cryptocurrency?
What do you use them for?
How do you acquire them?
What do you think is the future of cryptocoins?
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So I haven't been watching the BTC market for a while, can anyone explain what's driving the current price hike? where is the demand coming from? last time I checked the chinese were using it for capital flight but the government put some brakes on that.

Is there actual demand for btc or there's a tulip mania going on?
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NOBODY™ - "Postmodern Antimodernism"

I'm sure some of you have heard of NOBODY™ (
>Nobody™ exists to document ongoing psycho-social phenomena. Nobody™ has no political intentions, and its works pertain to spiritual natures which are expressed through the dynamics of internet subcultures.

He has a few YouTube videos and mixtapes that have been shared a lot in some circles online, notably:
>Sexual Liberation and Political Control

An essay serving as an overview of his works:

>Among the less political and worldly, and more avantgarde, artistic and proto-spiritual individuals stands NOBODY™.
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Crypto altcoins thread? Personally I think crypto is the future. No more centralization, no more states fucking you in the ass.
I also don't want to become a wage slave so I hope to make it thanks to crypto. Life is too short to not do what you like.
What cryptocurrencies have you invested in anons? What are you bullish on?
It would be cool that we all make it.
Personally I am extremely bullish on Bitbay. I missed the Ethereum train but I think Bitbay will be the next moon mission in 2018. It is the sole working decentralized marketplace and trustless contracting platform while fixing many BTC flaws and planning to have a decentralized peg that brings price stability by preventing volatility, especially from whales shady manipulation. The price is still fucking low (23m market cap) so there is a lot of growth potential. For instance, to have a x2 ROIs with ETH, it would need 30 fucking billions of dollars, while with bitbay it would only need 23m. It is far more likely in the latter for this very reason.
Pics related why I am bullish on it. It has both mainstream and darknet potential.
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How do people monetize security tool dump sites like n0where?

I've been wanting to try my hand at it, because I like playing around with security tools. But I wouldn't know how to start making money off it.
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The Orwellian nightmare..

Most of you know what the buzz word "Fake news" is. For a couple month now i've been interested about talking how to spot disinformation in the media, what technique is used, how to see it etc

Now day when people talk about disinformation most of us think about U.R.S.S and the cold war, but there is multiple event in the United States and other country, showing the governement as been deceiving the population with false flag, propaganda/Mass persuasion. From what i know and had been listiening the first red flag people can have is when we start to see a pattern. What i mean by a pattern is when you see a cycle of multiple event that are similar. By exemple when you look at the news there a lot of discusion about Havey Weinsteins, if you look in other country France and Canada for exemple there is a lot of "sexual assault" claims about notorious person what a coincidence.

Here's video i saw that i found also fascinating because it might give us a way to also detect deceiving media. Not everything in this video is good to take but, i believe it's still a good piece of work to start understanding how "it" work.

Also other interesting event like this:

If something i write in this post wasn't clear feel free to ask for clarification.
everything from ideas, techniques, opinions is welcome.
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No more place for space monkeys?

Is there a tomorrow for people who don't want to be lumped up in some premade identity package?

>tfw internet inquisitive snowflake activists want you to praise the mainstream news under accusation of un-patriotism even though you don't give a fuck about their ribbons

>tfw everyone else seem to be a bunch of conspiracy believers "the media is part of the plot they're going to take away our flags!!11!1!"

I'm not an anarchist, but I don't see the relation between the need for social solidarity and praising the flag, the media and state morality, the marching troops, applaud grandiose politician bullsoykafting, this is an exercise of vanity and soykafty identity politics. What about freedom? What about that mocking tone I learned from burgers and non-burgers on the chans? What about the realization of being an individual in a connected global world? What about using capital and personal knowledge to be an impulsive force, to make a change, not jumping on the last hashtag to make a holier-than-thou safe statement on Facebook? (I can't close Facebook yet but I don't even read it anymore since the amount of eyerolling it gives me)
I'm not even sure that internet freedom of being is still a thing since 2014 and the profusion of aspie alt-larpers and their opposites. You're forced to adopt the identity of whoever you're talking to now or you're presumed to be part of the undefinable bogeyman identity, be they "cultural marxists", "tankies", or whatever.
I can't stand people anymore. I don't even feel like I'm interacting with people, but just instances of identity circles. I only feel at home when I'm on the fringe of the internet now, or talking to a very select few friends. But even then most of them chicken out when confronted to the occasion of saying in the open what they spout in private. It feels good to concentrate on learning new things and try to make yourself better than listening to the news. Unless you're reading academical work, politics aren't "smarter" than celebrity trivia, if anything, they are worse because the media tries to make you project into your favorite politician/"brave journalist".

I'm doing freelance crap right now and I'm going to continue as long as I can. I will take steps to get as mobile and independent as I can, but does it even matter if you're alone. I wonder how it would be possible to convince the minority who feels out of place and which is easily seduced by conspiracy theories that globalism is more their only weapon than it is a threat.
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Left wing vs Right wing

I've been asking this question since I read it.
I'm not that much of a politics genius to understand it clearly.

What really is the difference?
The Pros and Cons?

Not a bait, Ta-da!
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What would be a good way to market tool extensions to burb and MSF and make it also profitable?
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What do you think will happen between North Korea and the USA?
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/ffg/ - fuck facebook general

>Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone in the United States
>Zuck: Just ask
>Zuck: I have over 300,000,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
>[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
>Zuck: People just voted for me.
>Zuck: I don't know why.
>Zuck: They "trust me"
>Zuck: Dumb fucks

How do we prevent this?
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Cyber Warfare and Other Modern Stratagem

What do you guys think about how the next war will look?

As a disclaimer, I'm speaking strictly non-WMD, I'm not asking who would win or why and this is not a comparison of military tech. This is purely talking about tactics, strategy, methods and tricks that could be used to defeat an enemy nation, regardless of specific national context.

I imagine a concerted effort to attack local DNS servers could redirect internet searches to give civilians misleading information. For example, on every major news website you have a fraudulent order telling civilians to evacuate to the nearby Air Force bases. This would clog down the air force and highways with huge volumes of civilians, possibly crippling the response time of the defending military.

Another idea could be to infiltrate special forces, or at least well disciplined infantry, in civilian clothes (who cares about international law) to set up outside air force bases. They could then fire MANPADS or mortars into the airfield to knock it out of action for some hours during the critical first reaction to an invasion.

What other tactics and strategies are available that are only available because of the prevalence of technology and complete disregard for rules of war?
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What do you think about cryptocurrency?