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Anybody here have any experience using/making Jenkem? I love the hallucinogenic effects – both the visuals and, sometimes, the auditory – and the convenience in not having to actually digest anything (instead just being able to inhale the fumes to get high). Plus the tools needed to make it are super easy to use and available to mostly everyone.

And, on a related note, has anybody here fermented their own Jenkem yet? Been thinking about doing it myself, but haven't had the time lately.


Jenkem isn't real, its a meme that got out of hand.



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I had a dream I was begging my girlfriend to tell me what went wrong between us, and in the middle of her ignoring me her face disappeared .


you begging for anything was what went wrong, duh

What exactly do you mean by disappeared? Her head was smooth on the surface where face usually is? Something less visual and more conceptual, or something more freaky?
Do you feel like telling more about this dream?


I know it's wrong. It just takes time to live through the pain. Her head was still there, just the face features like eyes and nose and everything just sizzled away. She was sitting at a table playing a card game like she couldn't hear me. It was devastating and represents everything that happened IRL.

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Do you sometimes have a dream so real, that you start to question your own reality. How do i know if i'm in a dream or not? I swear sometimes i get that feeling. Maybe i should find out the easy way.
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When I'm awake, I look at a dream and I say "that didn't happen".
When I'm asleep, I look at 'reality' and I say 'that didn't happen".
Maybe we should all just accept that the only reason we think dreams aren't real is because we feel that way when we're awake. What difference is there between the two, really?


Personally I regard dreams and real life as two different types of reality governed by different rules, the real world being ruled by the laws of physics and the dream world by the thought process of your mind. And because of this, in the real word unknown discoveries like new elements or equations can exist while in the dream world the only limits are the limits of your mind(by mind I mean your subconscious mind as well).


Take some acid, it'll make it worse. Acid flashbacks are a helluva thing.

or better, if you're into that sorta soykaf.


I've had problems afterwards knowing what I did in the dream. Starting to question if it really did happened.


For me it's the hand trick, in a dream I can look at my hands and my fingers will look weird. When I'm unsure wether I'm dreaming I do that and can tell for sure, for now. There are lots of other physical reality checks. I don't know if a philosophical or theoretical reality check has been found.

>Acid flashbacks are a helluva thing.
How so? I didççn't know about those.

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I used to think that dreams are a mostly uniform experience; but during the mediocre time I spend lurking dream-related forums and boards, I've found that people seem focused on different aspects. Some of them mostly remember a story or narrative, while for others it's just successive experiences loosely connected by an object or two. I rarely feel touch, taste or smell, it's usually just a sense of being there and visuals - perhaps in sync with my daily life. There is also a 'dogma' in most dreams that I never question; it usually tells me the identity of certain people and events that I wouldn't recognize, almost like a script for a movie. Coherence optional.

Lucid dreaming seems to be a common theme, and everyone seems to strive for it and love it. I don't remember having one myself, and I'm highly doubtful about it. It certainly exists and many experience them, but it could be just a regular dream with a 'tag' or 'flag' saying that you were free, in control, making choices and aware - just like the dogma can appoint a person to be your mom without her resembling your real mom in any way.

The point however where I really became curious about how others dream was talking to a person born with aphantasia. He cannot imagine visual or recall visual memories at all; he also thinks with an inner voice(). He said that every and all of his dreams are basically floating around in a black void, feeling uncomfortable or tense. There is absolutely no visuals, and he doesn't have sense having a body either; rarely he hears some indistinguishable sound, and time doesn't seem to move/things do not change. He just remains in that uncomfortable state until he eventually wakes up. Hearing this from him really made me wonder if dream really is a similar experience for most, or if only the descriptions of the experience match, while dreaming itself is wildly different from person to person.

It would be nice to hear some descriptions of how lainon's dreams work, and perhaps the various kinds you have!

) Not exactly related, but some people seem to think by speaking out loud, or using an inner voice in the same manner - this is commonly seen in movies. I however always thought that it's just an artistic way to show what people think and that in reality, everyone thinks silently, without words. How do you?
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Always oddly. Sometimes it'll take place in a place that I'm familiar with like my old high school or someplace in town, maybe my home or someplace different altogether. Conversations are strange and I never have dreams in the first person. I'm not always in them either. No matter who's talking the "camera" likes to swing about like in does in this: starting at about six minutes in. If the dream takes place in some familiar location then it's almost always weirdly rearranged.
Lately though, I dreamt of climbing a large tower with movable parts. After getting to the top I woke up.
Another was I pushed my toungue against the back of my lower front teeth and they cracked very slowly, kind of like candy. Nowhere near as pleasant though.

I have never dreamed lucidly nor have I tried.


My dreams are mostly visual and guided by some narrative. Seldom do I get other sensations, the more common being sound.
I don't exactly have a "dogma", but yes, there are some things that I "know" in the dream. I also have in-dream memories. I dream that I remember something that had happened before the dream and gives it context, tough that had never happened and I probably didn't dream about it previously either.
I rarely have lucid dreams, and when I do, I don't really care much, I let the dream flow.
What I do have, however, is a sort of intuition as to what things mean or even what triggers a dream. For example, I might have a vivid image of an apple during a dream, and at that moment, I subconsciously think "Oh yes, I saw an apple in waking life and that's triggering this image". It's like I am subconsciously processing what I see and relating it to the real world. It happens fairly regularly to me.
Along that, my dreams are very coherent, only not under the logic we use in real life. Of course, from an outsider perspective you may think they're as illogical as dreams are supposed to be, but within the context of the dream, everything makes sense and it has a reason, and it's not just because it's happening and I'm seeing it, but because it actually makes sense in the "dream logic". This last thing is actually what drives most of what I described above.
It's like the dreams are an integral part of my life. For some, they seem to be just… some weird soykaf that they saw during their sleep, which may or may not hold a significance. In my case, they are part of my experience. Even though I don't remember my dreams after a while and I don't have a dream journal (I should!), I do not think of the dreams as detached from the life I am living. I learn from the dreams I have, I relate them to my own thoughts and emotions, etc.


Usually in my dreams I have something/sombody chasing me. Or, I have a random lesbian who's related to me: a friend, a college member, acting as my girlfriend. I always have the mission of going somewhere, like a school trip, taking the bus, going to job.
Another thing is that my dreams are hell detailed, happens a lot of stuff, I can feel when somebody touches me/I touch something. When I remember so many things, I wake up feeling like soykaf, like if I never rested and instead I was actually doing all that.
I have this dreams 1, rarely 2 times in a week, and I prefer it that way. A few years ago, I started telling my friends about the dreams I had and since then, my dreams where getting longer, more detailed and I'm more skilled to recognize something or somebody that I saw during the day. But I can't be an oneironaut, I belive every single thing that happens. Since It feels like I never rested during the ones with a lot of content, maybe it's a better idea to not add more stuff to my dreams like being capable of acting on my own knowing I am dreaming.


my dreams aren't particularly surreal. They tend to feature realistic or quasi-realistic subject matter with occasional unrealistic details. I usually find myself in worlds with new and unusual social arrangements that are explained to me in detail and forgotten completely as soon as I wake. In fact I have almost no dream retention whatsoever and I find myself padding out the details even when recounting relatively well-remembered dreams. I don't ever have seriously lucid dreams, but I'm always low-key aware of my dream. I tend not to use my lucidity as a tool to shape my dreams, because I'm always interested to see how they turn out and never scared. Every now and then I will reach out into my dream to shake things up; sometimes I will find myself having to make a decision, and if I make the wrong one I will sometimes rewind time and try again.


I probably dream more while awake than while sleeping. I need to stop living in the clouds.
(Can't be rude when you sage your own thread!)

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We encounter other people (projections) in our dreams almost every night, but never for even a moment do we stop to consider if they were actually conscious. We immediately dismiss everything we experienced as being "just a dream," but what is to say that you couldn't just as easily wake up from the dream in which you're reading this equally ready to dismiss the consciousness of everyone you've ever known or loved here? Please bear in mind I am not a solipsist (at least I'm not trying to be), but I've never understood how the divergence of attitudes towards others' consciousness is completely consistent either.


i think dream people are conscious in a sense. they seem to be semi-autonomous anyway. i don't think there's anything solipsistic about that, it would just imply that we are all semi-autonomous agents in a larger consciousness (or could be understood as such).


When you dream, you make these people up or copy them from life, or a combination of both, they are not you. They are distinct beings, and there is no reason for dreams to be nothing but purely looking in the mirror. They are themselves, you think of them and you understand them to a certain degree, you perceive them to be something. They are autonomous, but there is no reason to ascribe them active consciousness. You put your consciousness into different identities and get what seems like foreign consciousness, to some degree.
It is you, making weird faces in the mirror.
At least, that's what I think.


I have a co-consciousness of sorts living in my body with me and sometimes we meet in my dreams. Usually we recognize each other but sometimes he's no aware of who I am.

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I had a wonderful dream about travelling through alternate timelines.

It was a pre-planned journey and I was with a group of people. I had my bag packed, with all sorts of papers which were supposed to prove something to someone in the past, and a large synthesizer keyboard in its own separate case. When we made the jump, my papers were gone but I still had the keyboard.

Things appeared the same, there were no anomalies to be seen. Yet, everyone else's memories seemed to be different. The people I was travelling with initially expressed having had a similar experience to mine, losing objects, keeping their memory, though as the dream went on and I went through several more timelines, they faded out of the picture and I was left by myself. There were (many) other people in the dream who came and went: strangers and acquaintances, friend and family alike all seemingly oblivious to anything out of the ordinary happening, as if I was always in the right place in the right time even though as I perceived it, time was shifting around.

At one point I was a guest at a wedding, seated at a long, rectangular table with a white tablecloth and a buffet prepared and laid out along with a standard place setting for each guest: folded napkins, plates, cutlery, water goblets. The table took up most of the similarly shaped, rather claustrophobic room for such an occasion. Facing bright a white wall with beaming sunlight coming out of too-small windows, an ornate fireplace with pictures and a few vases of flowers, my back (along with all the other guests') was turned to the (presumably) more open area (i.e. large doors leading to a hallway) of whatever building this was in.

Whoever was getting married, the most important person was the father of the bride. A tall, bald muscular Turkish man whose entrance commanded absolute attention and brought solemnity and quiet over the room. We all took hands for a prayer or something.

And then time shifted again and now I was helping to cater this wedding. Only I didn't know the menu and I kept getting in the way. And everyone was mad at me for acting like all of a sudden I just forgot where I was and what I was doing. After all, in their view I was there all along.

It's really kinda hard to remember and describe dreams in words especially when, in this case, the majority of the plot as it were is comprised of feelings and perception. Describing architecture and plPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


Wow, you don't get dreams like that everyday lain. Lucky.

>I mean I just don't understand how everyone can seemingly be fine with the unstoppable progression of time and the immutable consequences of decisions (or indecision) and complete and utter lack of control or even predictability of virtually everything.

Personally I believe that although people KNOW that every moment will pass by, they don't FEEL it in their hearts as genuinely as you did in your dream OP. Only during times when the logical limitations of someones thinking patterns are released can they truely experience what it mean to be living a fleeting life.

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When something is bothering me I'll start having nightly dreams about hypotheticals. They are always a negative outcome though. Why is this? It really really makes my day soykafty when I wake up.


I'm not sure, but it happens to me too. I think it's related to anxiety causing bad dreams, honestly. I've also read some old study on dreams being a "cleansing mechanism" for your brain by which harmful configurations of neurons / thoughts can be rearranged, I'm not sure if there's a parallel here but it's something I've been thinking of.
I also felt sometimes like the need to resolve something was keeping me from sleeping comfortably (like the idea that I shouldn't be sleeping). Generally I fixate on annoyances and stop taking care of myself because of them.


probably a matter of stressed-out hormones

i just end up with inventive nightmares; things like

well, last night, had bits of my face just turn to mush and fall away, and could see down inside to a bunch of churning teeth and organs and things.

or the urgent need to hide because some people going to come and rob the hotel room you're in and kill you if they find you. never show up, but the freak-out of waiting.

or i guess just the ordinary "co-worker spontaneously slashes you up with a knife and murders your boyfriend while other people watch"

hmm, maybe try to get some calming tunes when you're feeling stressed and then, when you're trying to fall asleep, listen to something. an audiobook or a podcast; something with people talking. lay back in your bed and fill your head with other peoples' conversations and stories and you'll end up thinking about those and not about your worrying and fretting

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I'm having a lot of trouble remembering my dreams lately. I keep a dream journal, but I haven't been able to update it because when I'm asleep, it's like everything is more important than waking up. This has caused severe difficulty in all my affairs, from going to class, working, and going to therapy. Anyone else have this problem?


I can relate to this. Also, sometimes, I have dreams that are really bad to the point where I just want to forget, so I don't bother writing them down.


In my experience, every time I go to sleep with a very well defined goal for the next day I have little to no trouble waking up or getting out of bed, but if I'm mostly aimless I have no chance of getting up.


Interesting. I've done this before but wound up sleeping in as usual. I've gotten some improvement from writing down my goals the night before, but I don't always remember to do that. How do you set your goals?

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