No.382
I made the post in pic related in this thread:
>>98It was discussing a poster who was derezzed in the thread. The poster's posts were deleted, the ban message was deleted, and all posts discussing it were deleted. My post criticizing the behavior (before I realized any of it was memory holed) was also promptly deleted: >>376
Luckily I thought to double check before refreshing, and screencapped when I realized it was.
No.383
Reposting my other post in that thread, after I realized half the whole thread had discreetly swept under the rug.
For the record, I now have a somewhat better idea of how much I'm skirting the line by delivering criticisms - while my first post didn't get me derezzed, it was deleted almost immediately, without comment, which resulted in a post replying saying criticism isn't bannable while ironically responding to a memory holed post: >>377 —–
Oh, that's amazing. ALL discussion related to the script was memoryholed, too INCLUDING THE ADMIN'S BAN.
For the record, the poster only brought up his script because posters in the thread were literally discussing the necessity for one that does exactly what his does and were even in the process of beginning work on building it:
>>130>>137>>143How is that remotely irrelevant?
Why was he derezzed? Why was his post, the ban and all context surround his post hidden? Does anyone actually believe this kind of moderation will ever last? There needs to be a serious discussion on the moderation intentions of this place very quickly. Just look at how Seph's ban has already turned the whole thread into debate over correct newspeak operating under the shadow of a looming ban hammer because no one knows if simply triggering the snowflake with wrongthink will get them b&.
Just as I have no idea how much I am skirting the line by making any criticism of the mods.This is an ANONYMOUS IMAGEBOARD, you have NO GENDER HERE.
I am suspicious the ban might actually be due to his refusal to keep his copy of the lainchan archive out of the public domain:
>>271… Oh wow. it looks like they ALSO deleted the thread where they took the archive from him. Does any admin want to explain this scummery?
While I doubt that anon cares about getting credit for kindly providing the backup, as he's stated repeatedly he does it for the people, it shows a stark contrast to how the admins have chosen to run this place that they shirk open source values in the interest of keeping their site popular, as well as happily take what's offered from devs with so little gratitude that they ban him immediately afterwards and attempt to hide all evidence of his help. For what? For holding to his own community-oriented values? Or was it for deigning to offer his script to others on the site? Or for suggesting his script be implemented?
which FYI is NOT out of self-interest of his own popularity, like our admins here's request to keep the archive in their hands only, its adoption is intended only to benefit small imageboards by making them all interconnected and decentralized. Or was it really for being an ass and not respecting gender neutral pronouns as stated (and then deleted)?
Of course, this is all guesswork since the mods are providing ZERO transparency in their moderation decisions, instead resorting to actually HIDING ALL OF IT.
No.384
I'd like a clarification of the rules, and a good explanation for both the user's ban, the deletions in that thread, the deletion of my criticism and the deletion of the thread where he gave you the archive.
I'd like to know if there are other deletions that have taken place, and why.
I'd like to know if there are certain politics that are derezzed. If gender neutral pronouns are enforced as a rule. If there is other newspeak and goodthink we should be wary to conform to.
I'd like a discussion on what the moderation philosophy and goals are, an address to my criticism in the deleted post capped here
>>382I'd like a discussion on the possibility of opening up more transparency and clarity.
I'd like to not be derezzed for making these posts or this thread. I'd like to not ever fear being derezzed for these things. But maybe I will be, then, regardless of its length, this will be the last you will ever hear from me.
No.386
>>381There is one active ban. Get over yourself.
No.387
>>386Why were the posts deleted, including the post announcing the ban? Can we please have clarification of the rules and modding philosophy?
No.393
>>390What's interesting is one of the only rules directly moderating board content is stating that /q/ is what discussing the policies of the board and actions of the staff is for. So why is moderated? How can it even be off topic when we're on the meta board? And it was discussing moderation actions within that very thread.
But it should be repeated, the poster did not hijack anything. His post was 100% relevant: people were discussing the necessity of a script, he provided the script.
The comment that all his posts on the site were related to his project so that means he's advertising is absurd too. He was literally invited here by an admin from his dev thread on another site. catchan isn't a "chan", it's just a userscript that collates different chans together so you can have /cyb/ posts from lainchan.jp, .org and even 8/cyb/, or even include /g/ and /tech/, into a superboard. Why would it be derezzed from discussion other than for hurting the admin's ego because he didn't respect xyzer's pronouns and deigned to suggest they were stubborn?
No.395
>>394I see we kept over the cancerous wordfilters.
nigger
No.397
>>393Yeah thats my point, they bannnned for advertise, but they built this site on a real hijack and real advertise for free.
They claim appleman didn't listen and they delete our posts.
What is the real motive for this board?
No.423
This entire thread was made by one single disgruntled user that is evading their ban. If you're going to have a conversation with yourself, you should at least use different IP addresses to make it look like it's a real conversation. Anyways, I'm not wasting my breath. If a second person has a problem, we will address it. Until then, good luck, have fun.
https://lainchan.jp/bans.php No.433
several posts criticising a webm (posted by presumably a moderator) have been deleted, here's the thread it happened in:
https://lainchan.jp/cyb/res/115.html No.434
>>433I remember those posts too. They broke the third rule.
https://lainchan.jp/rules.phpMods don't have to announce everything they do. That would get absurd fast. This isn't detective work. It's not that hard to figure out why a post was deleted.
No.438
>>437>Apparently the catchan guy won't stop hijacking other threads so I'm just going to dump his posts here as I delete them.What the fuck is his objective? I don't understand why someone would spend so much of their time kicking and screaming. You got derezzed from an image board dude. Get a life.
No.439
>>423This is not true. I have not been derezzed. Why are you lying?
…Well, trying to make this post it looks I have in fact just now been derezzed. I've been given a ban for ban evasion, despite never being derezzed?? Now this is a catch-22 since you've forced me to work around a fake ban for ban evasion, so if you believe your bullsoykaf line, I suppose I am in fact now ban evading, despite the ban being completely fucking phony. Otherwise I have to shut the fuck up and not "ban evade" for 3 weeks and let your fake narrative stand ground…
Back to my original post, assuming it won't also be deleted because I am now a """ban evader""": as OP, I have made quite clear which are my posts ITT, at least for the initial spurt before other users commented. These are all the posts ITT that are not my own:
>>434>>433>>423>>397>>395>>393>>390>>386Why are you lying? I have not evaded any ban or changed my IP before or after posting this thread…
…again, except until realizing I've been given a ban for ban evasion despite never being derezzed?? Is this how you censor dissent so that it doesn't appear authoritarian on the ban log?? Or Idk if you think I'm supposed to be the catchan dev or something, because I'm obviously not, that guy spoke entirely broken english, not that anyone can prove it since you deleted all evidence of his existence for no clear reason…
It might be worth mentioning I've deleted all my contributions on all boards outside of /q/ - e.g. you may recall the news thread on /cyb/ that one of you commented on - as I don't know if my post history seeming to be only on /q/ factored into your idea that I'm some person you might've previously b& now ban evading (assuming you actually sincerely believe that soykaf and aren't just making a BS excuse to shut down dissent), but at this point is seems a worthless comment.
No.440
>>438I am not the catchan guy, I was never derezzed except just now for making this thread. This is a BS line pushed either by actually hostile lying mods or sincerely misguided ones. What the fuck is wrong with expecting moderators to be transparent about their rules and bans? How are you a lainon if you actually shame other anons for requesting simple transparency from the moderation? This is fucking absurd. All I'd like is this place to be a better lainchan than the poorly run abomination .org became but the mods seem to be strongly antagonistic to the userbase to the point of lying to and cheating the users to cover up any criticism.
>>437Again, I am not the "catchan guy" and I have not hijacked any thread. Why don't you also dump the hundreds of other posts you have quietly deleted or at least start with an explanation for their deletion? Or explain how exactly you believe I'm the same poster when I obviously do not type like him? Is criticizing the mods against the rules or is it not? Is that why I was b&? Why does the administration repeatedly refuse to make clear statements on what is allowed?
No.441
I suppose I'll make this post ITT since it seems any posts defending mods are OK on /q/ but this is the only thread where posts criticizing them or their decisions are not deleted for being """off-topic""" (but apparently do result in poster b&'s):
>>400>The dev wanted changes to the site, didn't understand that she needs to change their script to fix problems, its not on the site owners to fix his problems, the dev is an idiot.This isn't true. The only change the dev suggested was for users that do not have greasemonkey installed on mobile, the script would have to be integrated. The only other the dev requested was fixes to their actual code not related directly to his script.
Of course, your mods inexplicably deleted the thread so it's all only hearsay now - except for the evidence left on sites that actually respect transparency. For example: the only reason him even being here was because an admin went to his dev thread on that other site and specifically requested he come help you guys out. He asked directly if lainchan was also interested in working with him to help it be supported on catchan and they (or some anon pretending to be an admin) said yes in no uncertain terms. And then took his archive, derezzed him, hid the threads and used his archive without any mention of thanks, then also deleted all dissent on the subject (as this will likely be too) with no comment other than a derisive one liner: "stop whining!":
>>386>>432>Fucking THIS. If you haven't already noticed on another thread there's a lovely new feature on lainchan;>https://lainchan.jp/bans.php>Beware of discourse spread by an army of sock puppets.Oh yes, a ban log that only shows the one line reason for a ban and its length, but hiding the mod who made the ban and most importantly the post that was actually derezzed, really this is what we consider "transparency." This will really ensure mod accountability. Anyone who disagrees must be a sock puppet because this clearly gives a direct outlet to ensuring the mods are actually enforcing those oh so clearly stated rules objectively and ensures it's impossible for them to ban any poster they choose while simply sticking in any reason they choose. This also of course addresses the fact that deletions are completely undocumented, too, and if you disagree, you're a sockpuppet.
…
In any case mods, if you're genuinely uninterested in having these discussions, just ban me for being a disruptor or for criticizing or whatever. But don't spit some bullsoykaf about how we're ALL some evil shill who gave you your archive but didn't respect your pronouns or deigned to request some bug fixes to help work with his script or whatever inexplicable soykaf triggered you into making him your evil boogeyman. I'm obviously not the same fucking dude, he could barely speak english, as well the other posters ITT are obviously not me "sockpuppeting". Too bad you can't just delete this whole thread too since it's all been archived in caps and spread to other boards already.
No.443
>>438I am not the catchan guy, I was never derezzed except just now for making this thread. This is a BS line pushed either by actually hostile lying mods or sincerely misguided ones. What the fuck is wrong with expecting moderators to be transparent about their rules and bans? How are you a lainon if you actually shame other anons for requesting simple transparency from the moderation? This is fucking absurd. All I'd like is this place to be a better lainchan than the poorly run abomination .org became but the mods seem to be strongly antagonistic to the userbase to the point of lying to and cheating the users to cover up any criticism.
>>437Again, I am not the "catchan guy" and I have not hijacked any thread. Why don't you also dump the hundreds of other posts you have quietly deleted or at least start with an explanation for their deletion? Or explain how exactly you believe I'm the same poster when I obviously do not type like him? Is criticizing the mods against the rules or is it not? Is that why I was b&? Why does the administration repeatedly refuse to make clear statements on what is allowed?
No.444
>>443kek why did you repost my post anon?
No.445
>>438I am not the catchan guy, I was never derezzed except just now for making this thread. This is a BS line pushed either by actually hostile lying mods or sincerely misguided ones. What the fuck is wrong with expecting moderators to be transparent about their rules and bans? How are you a lainon if you actually shame other anons for requesting simple transparency from the moderation? This is fucking absurd. All I'd like is this place to be a better lainchan than the poorly run abomination .org became but the mods seem to be strongly antagonistic to the userbase to the point of lying to and cheating the users to cover up any criticism.
>>437Again, I am not the "catchan guy" and I have not hijacked any thread. Why don't you also dump the hundreds of other posts you have quietly deleted or at least start with an explanation for their deletion? Or explain how exactly you believe I'm the same poster when I obviously do not type like him? Is criticizing the mods against the rules or is it not? Is that why I was b&? Why does the administration repeatedly refuse to make clear statements on what is allowed?
No.446
Also, looks like mods have quietly deb& me for my """ban evasion""" without comment.
In that case, if you recognize your slanderous BS was wrong, do you care to actually address the fucking points?
>>437>>423 No.447
>>444We need more not less.
No.448
>>438I am not the catchan guy, I was never derezzed except just now for making this thread. This is a BS line pushed either by actually hostile lying mods or sincerely misguided ones. What the fuck is wrong with expecting moderators to be transparent about their rules and bans? How are you a lainon if you actually shame other anons for requesting simple transparency from the moderation? This is fucking absurd. All I'd like is this place to be a better lainchan than the poorly run abomination .org became but the mods seem to be strongly antagonistic to the userbase to the point of lying to and cheating the users to cover up any criticism.
>>437Again, I am not the "catchan guy" and I have not hijacked any thread. Why don't you also dump the hundreds of other posts you have quietly deleted or at least start with an explanation for their deletion? Or explain how exactly you believe I'm the same poster when I obviously do not type like him? Is criticizing the mods against the rules or is it not? Is that why I was b&? Why does the administration repeatedly refuse to make clear statements on what is allowed?
No.449
>>447Seems just like mods trying another absurd attempt to dodge the criticism.
No.450
>>441>he>he>he>he>heYou mean "I" buddy.
No.452
>>450I think you mean xer, ugh. Prepare your gender neutral asshole for my banhammer, soykaflord.
No.455
>>452Where is all of this banhammer talk coming from? It looks like there is only one single ban (unless you consider three sockpuppets in the same IP range different people).
https://lainchan.jp/bans.phpIn reality one single guy got butthurt and won't let it go. If you hate this site's mods so much, why are you still here?
No.457
>>455As I said in my first (deleted) post, because I think this is a promising opportunity and I'd hope mods have the maturity to address their underlying issues because as it is now, there's no hope for long term resilience. This is not one poster upset. That dev does not give a single fuck about this site and only came here because he was requested. I'm upset because of the way he was handled moderation wise as well as all the other warning signs addressed ITT. Which aren't, contrary to the mods paranoiac accusations, not solely by me.
Assuming you aren't a mod sock puppeting (would make their absurd accusation make a little more sense: projection), why would you actually buy their absurd line? You don't even have the dev thread to compare to, they deleted it. Are you actually just operating on their word alone just because they're your current rulers? I don't think you belong on lainchan if so.
If you really are a mod, see:
>>446Unbanning me must mean you admit you were mistaken, and I am not the same poster. Since that was your ONLY excuse to deflect the criticism, and it is now gone, please address the many points made ITT by me and the other posters.
Otherwise just fucking ban me for criticizing you. As I said
>>384That's the last you'll hear from me. Not banning me with a bullsoykaf accusation I'm some other poster, or literally every poster criticizing you are all the same poster. Just ban me honestly so I can at least be satisfied I finally learned one of your actual rules.
No.458
>>457>That's the last you'll hear from me. For some reason I find that hard to believe.
No.463
>>459>WHAT. DO. YOU. WANT.I stated very clearly since the beginning of the thread:
>>384Why was this anon's post deleted?
No.469
>>467>And why did you delete your TRANSPARENCY thread, of all fucking things?Ah, wait my mistake. Not sure why I got a 404 when I refreshed.
No.484
>>480If you plan to use this thread for a dump of each post deleted, I fully approve. That was a serious question by the way. Is a deletion a warning for a ban? e.g. if I repeatedly called staph a henigger (assumption being they're in the middle of on-topic posts with real content), would I have my posts repeatedly deleted, or would they be derezzed?
No.495
>>455It's just one guy flipping out. Really loudly.
No.498
>>495>one guywhat do you serve to gain by lying to fake a narrative? if you're a mod, address the criticism. if you're an anon, appreciate the pressure being placed on their transparency, it's for all of our benefit.
No.503
>>498>what do you serve to gain by lying to fake a narrative? if you're a mod, address the criticism. if you're an anon, appreciate the pressure being placed on their transparency, it's for all of our benefit.I don't think it's falling on deaf ears:
https://lainchan.jp/q/res/461.html#461 No.515
>>495I was bannned too, but they lifted it , they gave no reason at all, and still haven't answered any of my questions.
No.519
>>516Were you the one they posted the IP of on applechan for 'whining about the ban' or was that another poster?
No.527
>>519another, I just posted
>>390 original photo and they derezzed me with
>>516 lol
No.553
>>517No, the cat chan guy is just fucking annoying.
No.713
>>693why did you post this?
>>553it's pretty obvious he never posted again after first getting derezzed
No.1304
Why was Seph derezzed?:
>>>/λ/539Fucking uncalled for first of all; that was one of the most exciting threads in activity right now
Also next time post a reason / indication as to why the ban was made (was this ban a joke? did Seph break some rule? was this a project not all admins of lainchan.jp were on board with?)
No context
No.1309
what's going on I'm confused and need adult supervision
No.1310
We've got a rogue mod
Time to arm ourselves
>>1308>Using a Milo reaction imageNow
you explain
yourself No.1312
…Soo any update on what happened?
No.1317
>>1312Seph just sent this out to a bunch of Lains.
Who's the rogue mod here?
No.1318
I'm not sure what the split would even be about. Someone's saying it's to distance us from .org because of the whole pedophilia thing, but Katukas, for those who don't know, is an unironic white nationalist.
No.1322
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>>381Is there any plain to move to a decentralised backend? Like the one that nntpchan uses?
>Your browser sent an invalid or no HTTP referer.Can someone fix this please? Not everything needs a referer.
>>1320This is because discord is soykaf. IRC would be a better idea.
Spoiler for nsfw
No.1323
>>1322> IRC would be a better idea.we already have an irc. #lainchan.jp on freenode.
No.1324
>>1317What the actual fuck?
No.1325
>>1319Why the fucking purge?
Why the hell can't you misanthropic fuckers just cool your tits for longer than six months, if the .jp fork was a crippling blow to the community this is the rock that finally puts us out of our misery.
No.1326
>>1325I see more posts than ever though.
No.1327
>>1326They're literally shutting down .jp and merging with Systemspace.link and some Russain Affiliate I don't know the name of
cheekibreeki.ru or something
No.1328
>>1324Kalyx wrote about this on his blog soykaf.org
No.1329
>>1327But it isn't shutting down. It is just changing a name.
No.1332
>>1329Check the Admins and Moderators. 3/4 of the old staff jumped ship. Most of the staff is now new. It's basically a different operation.
No.1335
Seph never comfigured the board software properly, and none of the bugfixes from the original software have been merged, nearly all of those are current vulnerabilities. Hack the fuarrking planet
No.1339
>>1335>Seph never comfigured the board software properly, and none of the bugfixes from the original software have been merged, nearly all of those are current vulnerabilities. Hack the fuarrking planetI wonder why it never got done.
No.1340
>>1335I wonder why some of the staff got canned 6_9
No.1341
>>1332>Check the Admins and Moderators. 3/4 of the old staff jumped ship. Most of the staff is now new. It's basically a different operation.The only name that stayed the same was Seph.
https://lainchan.jp/faq.php No.1343
>>1342We should stay positive. I think it will be a hard transition but I love you guys. Hope this is better for us.
No.1344
>>1321They are celebrating it as a blow against "leftism."
No.1345
>>1344Some people always need to make it about politics I suppose.
No.1348
>>1345I guess that's what happens when admins ban people for using the wrong pronouns
No.1352
>>1344I don't think they give a fuck about this site.
No.1361
Seph pulls a Stalin and elects a swathe of new staff without considering the input from the users of her chan.
"History doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes"…
No.1362
Why did you kick n1x?
Why did you sever the relationship with 0ch?
No.1366
>>1361>>1362We decided to no longer provide for honorary staff positions. In light of this, no one is eligible to join or remain on the staff without accepting the responsibility of board moderation.
Only two of the staff members who were removed had moderated the board within the last month: Junk and iLikeBiscuits. Both of these staff members supported the community on the condition that the board's name remained lainchan.jp.
The average "last login" of the rest of the removed staff was around three months. In other words, the weight of the purge has been greatly exaggerated.
mod edit: iLikeBiscuits has since returned to the staff No.1367
>>1366Okay thanks for the clarification but for the future please consider informing us better as major things like this happen. A lainchan.jp/news page that you'd update when stuff like this happen would be a great way to lessen confusion and the spread of speculation.
No.1368
>>1366>Only two of the staff members who were removed had moderated the board within the last month: Junk and iLikeBiscuits. Both of these staff members supported the community on the condition that the board's name remained lainchan.jp.lmao no I didn't, I was open to having an actual discussion about changing the name (the entire time, actually), rather than do that you asserted that it had to be lainchan until you decided it had to be arisuchan.
but thanks for the apology, I'll remember that for the future.
No.1369
>>1366and no comment on kalyx leaving???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/ nildicit????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
No.1372
>>1368Yfw you find out seph is a dictator who forced the usage of lainchan and then arisuchan
No.1373
>>1372No one here forced anyone to do anything.
No.1374
>>1372She's a social corporatist (succdem) and she killed n1x just like they killed Rosa
No.1380
>>1374Look a mod/admin fight!
Can we all just get in with it.
Lots of old mods where lazy, some were active but they where removed.
New mods added, ah well. Such is life.
This place is still pretty /comfy/ so lets just get on with it.
No.1538
>>1380Thank you for your service o7 o7 o7
