I like the idea of a name change.
It will be something fresh, which is good in my opinion. It will also get rid of some confusion, no longer having to specify which lainchan you go to.
I think it's the best idea you guys have had so far.
Cyberia comes to mind, but I don't know if someone has already taken the name.
Starting with A Scanner Darkly I'll be bingeing on cyberpunk books and films to get some inspo.
It sucks that Appleman had to ruin the name for all of us.
Arisu is Lain's most intimate and loving friend. I propose we name ourselves
to contrast ourselves from those who don't care about Lain, namely applechan.
Now is the time to sever the connection to the other site. The whole thing tarnished the name and makes things very uncomfortable by mere association. I don't think the whole situation will dissipate and people will just plum forget as a ton of negative attention tends to follow that
subject. I'd rather not end up on some watchlist either, which is a very real possibility thanks to all that "questionable" conduct.
I don't know what you guys would change it to but if you go for something completely different, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I'm just sad that the image of Lain is somewhat ruined now but I think it's a good time to move on. Not sure how you can preserve the original Lainchan but that sentiment goes way beyond it's name… It's just hard to distill it into something more fitting.
I'm not fully convinced that we must change our name, but that does provide for an easy explanation:
>Why are you called Arisuchan?
Because we love Lain!
However, if you do change names, don't use arisuchan.org. Use arisuchan.jp. That way we can still say "jp" to refer to this site.
>>779>>780>cyberia.club is some default neocities page
I'd like it to be at least related to another work by ABe, if not SEL itself. Texhnolyze comes to mind, (Despera never), but Haibane Renmei is at least very similar aesthetically.
Arisu is a tech-illiterate normal person girl that cries until someone fixes her navi and her brain so she can bang sensei-kun. I feel like she would invite hugboxes and LALL but nothing useful. Just look at >>786
It would be like worshipping a god's dirty boots because the god is too much to comprehend. No thanks.
I left .org right after the split because it was growing old, stale and dead. This place felt a lot more like the original with a sense of change and dirty bleeding edge to it. If we can't even get rid of some overused meme of a girl, this place is not much better than what it forked out of.
how about omitting the 'eria'
> that applechan is associating with questionable content like (you know what I mean).
I don't, what is it?
"arisuchan.jp" best bet, yeh. couple it with a theme swap, something cute in soft reds maybe. could be a way to encourage comfier discussion too, just by nature of environment; themes and aesthetique go a long way in that regard.
if you want, i could start making banners an things>>791
the point would be to distance from the sort of EDGE / posing / WOW SO CYBERPUNK that attracted what's caused so many problems on the other board. a bit of "normal person-ness" goes a long way to keep the ugh at bay. people looking for somewhere to spread their ugh mostly nope out really quickly, leaving room for nice, productive discussions. and it's not like you have to worry about actual "normal people" in a place like this (and that term itself is pretty ugh, encouraging othering people rather than treating them as fellow humans).
a site like this needs a common point to rally around. it's the visuals and aesthetic that attract users and the community that holds them there, and arisu is a good foundation on which to build both while discouraging this turning into yet-another-pile-of-poop-on-the-internet
The point is not to make the board about
Arisu—just as applechan wasn't necessarily about
Lain. The point to shift away from applechan as little as necessary. The result is a name which is even more arcane and esoteric to new users. That could be a good thing as it forces them to focus on the posts rather than the name when trying to determine exactly what it is that we are.
At the end of the day it is the content which will make or break the site and, fortunately, that shouldn't be too difficult as the general feel of this new board isn't too different from that which was present on applechan back in 2014. That is something special to me and I suspect many here also appreciate that fact. Therefore I don't think deviating too far from the name is appropriate. I also don't think we should abandon the aesthetic or, as the home page puts it, the "ethos of lain."
its probably refferencing the cp scandal over there. there is a massive org/q thread about it.>>794
as far as themeing, well, ehh, wasnt that already being a talked about thing, to make several choosable themes? maybe should just change the default. . .>>789
0xCHAN just feels rather dead to me. sel provides a context that encompasses far more of humanity. Maybe names don't matter, but ehh.>>790
well, cyberia is cool, but there are already at least two communities called cyberia. I don't know about you but I think we should do something new-er.>>791
to be honest I feel like arisu was the only character I was able to consistently feel sympathy towards. Lain at moments, yes, but arisu seems to a great degree an integral part of the story, just as much as lain is. She provides lain with sympathy, love, and even when she does not understand she cares and loves, and lain loves back.
>lain vs other stories
we could change and call it anything cyberpunk, but I mean, lain and SEL are part of the ethos of this chan, and it would be difficult to find something the equally captures that feeling, that wasnt from SEL, I feel.
(arisuchan sounds nice ^_^)
Her name is Alice by the way.. Her name is an English name, her character is based on the anime Alice in Cyberland, in english you write Alice. In the anime she writes Alice on her own navi. Arisu is not her name.
alice / arisu / アリス are equivalent in this case, and another reason behind the name's use is its general popularity over there because of the name overlap with 有栖川 (arisugawa) etc. and she's not weak at all: a manifestation of courage and the power of human warmth, reaching out past oneself despite uncertainty, fear, and no lifeline to fall back on.
>>799>it's Alice in English, not "Arisu"
Finally! Thank you for acknowledging this, arisu.jp sounds nice but is a bit off color.
However, I do like the Alice in Cyberland thing along with keeping the .jp extension to be familiar. Maybe
and so on.
So, Alice is still liked with Lain but via a reference like this. Also, cyberland / wonderland seems more open to a general theme vs. a specific show. It doesn't actually have to mean the anime "Alice in Cyberland(tm)" but the basic concept is quite strong. We can make our own version of Alice yet still be familiar with Lain ethos if that makes sense.
arisuchan.jp is easier to work with but the transliteration of Alice is still kind of weird to me. However, whenever I hear Arisu I do associate it with Lain vs. hearing Alice (in wondercyberland) so it would be ok I suppose.
As you mentioned it's really what we make of it.
Apart from that, I'd try not to lean too hard on existing stuff but try to forge something new since the opportunity is here. It's important to tie in with Lain/Alice/Cyberland as a nod to the past but it has to be much more than just trading mascots.
I was unsure of the name at first, but it's kind of growing on me. Nice work!
>>806>I was unsure of the name at first, but it's kind of growing on me. Nice work!
I think it's a win-win. We get to form our own independent identity yet continue to reference Lain. I will still feel comfortable calling you "lain" if we change to arisuchan, but if we went with something completely different, it just wouldn't work.
Sorry peeps but we aren't going to use an incorrect slightly offensive misuse of the name Alice as our website name. The banners are cool tho.
Might as well say rainchan.jp
This was already addressed in >>801
it's literally a standard romaji conversion of the same dang thing. alice and arisu are interchangeable. there's nothing incorrect about it, nor is it "objectionable" or "potentially offensive", unless you want to get upset at japanese speakers for not distinguishing in the first place because of their writing system.
the show uses "Alice" because old computer systems, unixes, apple things etc were largely western-centric and mostly used ascii / european variants (and also because it's COOL and FOREIGN, like a merikan tv show using bits of french or whatever)http://www.japaninc.com/cpj/magazine/issues/1994/jul94/07apple.html
>>782>Arisu is Lain's most intimate and loving friend. I propose we name ourselves arisuchan.org to contrast ourselves from those who don't care about Lain, namely applechan.
If we are going to change our name, this really is the best option. People are going to continue to post images from Lain regardless so you might as well use the name of a character from the same universe.
Arisu and Alice are both acceptable forms of romanization for アリス. Similarly, Lain and Rein are technically both acceptable forms of romanization for レイン but obviously the former is the official romanization and thus the correct one. However, there is no official romanization for アリス (as far as I'm aware) and thus any acceptable romanization would work. There's nothing offensive about Arisu since its the most literal romanization possible since it uses the proper Japanese pronunciation rather than turning アリス into Alice by using the English pronunciation that the kana is trying to mimic.
t. Armchair linguist.
I can't articulate exactly why, but this banner really struck a chord with me. I think the close up of Arisu's eyes in front of an urban landscape kind of invokes the overwhelming sense of a "new beginning" felt when first arriving in a different city. I like where things are going and I feel like this place has a bright future.
>>795>At the end of the day it is the content which will make or break the site and, fortunately, that shouldn't be too difficult as the general feel of this new board isn't too different from that which was present on applechan back in 2014.
Sharing a name with another board is inherently political. As long as we call ourselves lainchan others will dismiss us as being a "drama chan," which is a shame because as someone who has been around just as long, I agree that this place shares the same vibe of that era. No one posts here because of the name. They post here because of the community and the discussion.
The name is important insofar as it supports what the board is about, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the case. There are plenty of other chans that have names that don't cover all of the topics they discuss. We can continue to be a technology oriented board under whatever name we choose to call ourselves. We have nothing to lose, but something to gain. No one is going to leave because we change our name to arisuchan, but many others may join if they recognize that we want to build something new, which in this case just happens to be something old. If changing our name increases our chances of long term stability, it gets my vote.
i don't think turning the ugh-box into a hug-box is a solution. I indeed don't worry about normal people, if anything I worry about imageboard-neets posting cute anime girls, riced i3 desktops and criticizing constructive discussion for its tone. Keep in mind that an intent to be productive and helpful doesn't mean the post is. There's many many posts on .org which are technically constructive, but usually consist of a helpful-looking anime girl and one or two lines that contain no new information to anyone. It's not breaking any rules, but the poster should probably self-moderate and avoid it. This hasn't spread here yet; let's not invite it lain's cute helpful gf either.>>795
Indeed, the board is not about lain, or SEL. So I do not understand the irrational obsession about keeping it related to SEL. I didn't understand for the last three years.
>The result is a name which is even more arcane and esoteric to new users.
It's isn't particularly arcane, just a single more step of reference. If anything, it gives the vibe of "the girl I like is taken, I'll marry her sister">That could be a good thing as it forces them to focus on the posts rather than the name
Again, this is only true if we only pick from a pool of lain related names. Names not related to any work of fiction that don't associate the site with anyone's fantasies would be way more neutral and would force people to focus on the posts way more. An empty name whose meaning you can't google or ask about, and so you have to look at the board itself.>>798>we could change and call it anything cyberpunk
That would be as pointless as sticking to lain, obviously I'm not arguing for that.
I've seen this kind of name change often before, and did it before. 'lain' is an objectively better name for whatever this site is standing for, it's just that .org already uses it. That's how the roman empire became byzantine empire, or how Catholics became Lutherans, defined by differing from that other thing and always in their shadow. Other than that, 'lainchan' was a thing for 3 years now and got boring, seeing lain's face fucking everywhere got boring. Arisu is still somewhat novel, it feels new and fresh so it sounds good. It will go away.
>>833>i don't think turning the ugh-box into a hug-box is a solution. I indeed don't worry about normal people, if anything I worry about imageboard-neets posting cute anime girls, riced i3 desktops and criticizing constructive discussion for its tone. Keep in mind that an intent to be productive and helpful doesn't mean the post is. There's many many posts on .org which are technically constructive, but usually consist of a helpful-looking anime girl and one or two lines that contain no new information to anyone. It's not breaking any rules, but the poster should probably self-moderate and avoid it. This hasn't spread here yet; let's not invite it lain's cute helpful gf either.
I think you are missing the point. No one is proposing that we become a hug-box. The kind of posts you are describing are not absent because of our name. They are absent because of our moderation. A few weeks ago there was a flood of new, short, low-quality posts in /all/ made by someone obviously trying to cross lines off of the "bounty board" in /r/. Despite probably being made in good faith, each and every one was deleted. This is in line with the rule: "Please make intelligent posts."
I think you have it backwards. Changing the name to arisuchan and the theme to red would serve your interests well. It would attract less people obsessed with Lain and less people who think changing their terminal to black and green makes them a leet haxor. No one is going to come here to talk about Arisu. That is why it is a good name.
>>833>Indeed, the board is not about lain, or SEL. So I do not understand the irrational obsession about keeping it related to SEL. I didn't understand for the last three years.
It's not about obsession. It's about pragmatism. If we name ourselves something completely different, then we abandon our family of laintracker, lainwiki, lainzine, etc. By naming ourselves arisuchan we can remain in the family yet still distinguish ourselves from our fucked up relative.
I rather fail to see how simply changing the name to that of another character from the same serise is going to change the crowd who comes here. its not like there is a small army of people, who each day scour the pages of the web for the names of little known ''normal'' anime characters, that they can come in and use them to send pictires of their rice.
Now thats not a reason to keep within sel for our name choices, but crash makes a darned good point. This site is not a standalone thing, but is one point in a network of places using the lain and lainrelated branding. If we come up with some gibbson or pkd character to call this place, it looses the deliberate thematic alignment.
Arisuchan seems like the best name so far. As others have noted, it distances us from applechan while keeping us in the real of the SEL universe.>>814
Why ask the community for their opinion if you use no intention of heeding our desires?
Because I like discussing things with the community.
Notice in the first image that her name is the only one written in Katakana implying it's a foreign name. This DVD release was produced by pioneer USA. in the top right corner of the concept image they overlay the romanization of everyone's name. This is a translation error since Alice's name is not of Japanese origin… In the 2nd picture her name is written Alice by the actual artists in the show.
And in the third picture we have the pioneer translators again making the error in the credits.
My point being the creators and the animators all knew her name is Alice. Inside Lain's fictional world her name is written in Katakana and her parents named her Alice. Not "ありす".
I don't have a serious big issue with changing the name I just have an issue with us looking retarded. Arisu is a product of a common limitation in Japanese language and speech, and a translation error by everyone else. None of us are Japanese except like one anon so why would we pretend to talk like them? It's not cute but mildly offensive. It doesn't matter to anyone who hasn't studied Japanese.
You know kalyx, I think you are the hero of the people.
The glorious winged glitterboy father of lain. The guy who fucks soykaf up right before things get stale and bad. I was probably the first person who went "oh yeah deleting lainchan was great lulz well done"
And yet still,>I just have an issue with us looking retarded.
gives me the giggles if you know what I mean
I know what you mean.
Cyberpunk is postmodern and breaks conventions by definition. These are often worlds where cultural and national identities either no longer matter or the lines between them become blurry. You wouldn't tell Maelcum in Neuromancer that his name is Malcom.
As is being discussed this very moment, when names are localized, they can change in spelling and even pronounciation over generations until they no longer resemble the originals. You see this in Western countries where Biblical names are dominant, and when transliterating Arabic into English.
Osama = Usama
Hussein = Husayn
Yeshuah = Jesus = Joshua
Jeremiah = Yirmiyahu (Hebrew) = Ermiyyah (Arabic)
If the name Arisuchan is going to drive people away from the website when they make a snap judgement, they wouldn't have converted into quality poster anyway. Fickle people don't make for good community members.
Maelcum's name is Maelcum. Alice's name in the show is Alice. So why are we trying to make it Arisu?
Her name is アリス. That is what it would say on her school ID. Not "Alice." Arisu is the correct transliteration. We use the transliteration and not the translation because we aren't privy to translate her name any more than someone in another culture is privy to translate your name into theirs and proceed to tell you what your name really is.
アリス is the Japanese name for Alice just as almost all Western names are spelled and pronounced differently than their historical origin. To say that the name Arisu is 'wrong' is to be ignorant and say that your culture owns the name Alice and the Japanese should respect that. When someone looks at her school ID and they read and say Arisu they are not pronouncing it 'wrong.' That is her name. The cultural origin of her name is not the authority on her name. Yes, the anime mixes the spellings, but that is to be expected because her name is an unambiguous allusion to Alice in Wonderland
and Serial Experiments Lain
is very much an exercise of postmodernism:
>Producer Ueda had to answer repeated queries about a statement made in an Animerica interview. The controversial statement said Lain was "a sort of cultural war against American culture and the American sense of values we [Japan] adopted after World War II." He later explained in numerous interviews that he created Lain with a set of values he took as distinctly Japanese; he hoped Americans would not understand the series as the Japanese would. This would lead to a "war of ideas" over the meaning of the anime, hopefully culminating in new communication between the two cultures.
This debate is in the spirit of Serial Experiments Lain
and is consistent with the wishes of its producer Yasuyuki Ueda. Because of this
is more fitting than many would expect prima facie. Our culture is complicated. Our name can be complicated too.
No I've just been studying the language for a few years and I don't like seeing translation issues become misinterpreted as racism.
all three of those names, アリス、レイカ, ジュリ, are written in katakana. only two of them are "foreign names", and アリス is arguable, given its popularity.
the line between what's written in katakana and what's written in other things is not rigid. in this case, it's an "i want to spell out their names without implying what their family-given spellings will be", as name spelling can get confusing and sometimes there are spellings which look like they would be pronounced one way, because of convention, but are meant to be pronounced a different way in practice. this is why character listings in film credits etc will often use katakana spellings. similarly, names for animals etc are acceptable in whatever writing system, though you may get somebody who complains at you for using a kanji compound that's hard to remember because it isn't used often (ヤモリ, やもり, 家守). you've definitely seen this sort of phenomenon in your favourite animu titles as well. the writing system used is a stylistic choice rather than some sort of nit-picky prescriptive ruling; sometimes it looks better to have some mincho font with lots of kanji, as is the case if you're doing something "classical". sometimes you want gothic, for a more "familiar" or "friendly" feeling, and will limit the kanji or even remove them altogether. and sometimes you'll just write everything in katakana for a hardline / fast / modern / whatever feel.
japanese people don't get nitpicky about this sort of thing, firstly because they have multiple writing systems and examples of the same word spelt out in them, secondly because of the disconnect between sound and graphical meaning that sort of steps to either side of the conventional western ideas of spelling, which merges sound connotative symbols to form its graphical abstract-meaning elements, and thirdly because they're constantly bombarded with sounds and words which they can't easily write in the systems they have, and so they need to get creative about. the 小さいつ is an obvious example of a tool created for this purpose, used to model pauses and stutterings and emphasis and all sorts of weird things. go open up a few japanese novels and see how creative they get when writing dialogue. there's more freedom because, unlike in english, kana spellings are meant to follow sounds, not some abstract concept of "how to spell a thing the right way". things like "ちゃん" arise when a child can't pronounce "さん" and, rather than being rejected as "wrong", they're added organically. regional differences within japan should make this obvious too: a newspaper in one part of the country might use "じゃ" while a newspaper elsewhere uses "や", because the spelling mimics the local pronunciation. あまり あんまり etc. so basically, unless you're writing out a real person's name in kanji, just do whatever makes the most sense.
so there's this fluidity in kana spellings that isn't familiar to the western non-speaker. what reason would the artists have, then, to use Alice in the show? as i already said above in >>820
, it's a matter of aesthetic. they deliberately chose the westernised spelling because westernised spellings in western charsets were, and to a lesser extent still are, connotative of beep-boop computering. see the attached screenshots; they use it in artsy and computery splashes to invoke an "interesting", "foreign", "computery" feeling. it's literally the same as western /cyb/ authors plastering kanji all over everything because they like how it looks. for this same reason, arisu is the better choice of spelling for an imageboard with a western userbase. it carries that "foreign" connotation, while "alice" does not / is less distinctive. if you were setting up a website for japanese users, of course, the reverse would be true.
so yeh, you're not going to look retarded, and could even get "bonus points" from a person who cared by sometimes using アリス or Alice in other places on the site
derp, forgot to namefig again
and to continue on from that last note, to whoever it is making all these banners, it'd be a good idea to throw in Alice / アリス in a few of them as well, to hilight this fluidity, and only stick rigidly with arisu when literally quoting the url. you can play up the chan ちゃん double sens as well, and that'd work really nicely; think like a screenshot of a chat program or something, or maybe a letter being written アリスちゃんへ、 (with the アリスちゃん part emboldened or something to set it apart).
also, forgot to re-irterate, but, like mentioned above in >>800
, arisu is a name that's recently risen to popularity after an imported western overlapped with a common name, and thus is even more fluidity-prone than other things. there are 101 retrofitted kanji spellings etc.
I don't get what all the fuss is about. We don't all have to agree on the same spelling. Apparently even the creators of SEL didn't all agree. Just use what you like. I think it's kind of cool to have it mixed up. It seems appropriate.
I don't think we should change the name. We'd lose the association with Laintracker, Lainzine, Lainfile, etc.
We can't let Appleman's condonation of pedophilia ruin the name "Lainchan." He's already ruined so much for us, we can't let him ruin the name "Lainchan" as well.
>>875>I don't think we should change the name. We'd lose the association with Laintracker, Lainzine, Lainfile, etc.
Not if we don't want to? I don't see why we would have to abandon them just because our name changes to Lain's best and only friend. If you're worried about that then someone should reach out to them to be sure.
>He's already ruined so much for us, we can't let him ruin the name "Lainchan" as well.
But he kind of already did. The root of the problem is the fact that we are not in control of the image of "Lainchan." As long as Appleman is in control of the other site he will continue to have an affect on ours. By changing our name we can be fully independent and not have to worry about the next fucked up thing that happens on applechan.
I really don't want the name to change at all. This is starting to look like it was decided way before I made this thread however…..
>>876>As long as Appleman is in control of the other site he will continue to have an affect on ours. By changing our name we can be fully independent and not have to worry about the next fucked up thing that happens on applechan.
God damn, I see what you mean.
People are making memes now about how Lainchan would've been so much better off if Appleman had just deleted it right after buying it, and I'm inclined to agree.
Things would be so much easier if Applechan.org just wasn't around anymore. We wouldn't have to worry about his idiotic decisions tarnishing the name and image of Lainchan, and we wouldn't have to deal with arguments over which site is the "true Lainchan."
I'm not going to explicitly say that I recommend destroying .org… but it'd be in the best interests of the site and community as a whole if an ""accident" just so happened to occur that somehow rendered it unusable, if you know what I mean.
I really don't like the idea of bowing down and changing our name because of Appleman. I know others might see it differently, but all in all that's how I perceive it – us being forced to resign to starting over with a new identity because of HIS rampant idiocy. There has to be another alternative.
Even if that were to occur, and I don't think it will, nor would I condone it, the baggage is still there.
There's an appeal to a cut and run solution, imo. Creating a new brand and doing it better than ever before. .jp already has better post quality than Applechan.
>>877>I really don't want the name to change at all. This is starting to look like it was decided way before I made this thread however…..
I just got here and it's pretty obvious only a handful (read one very insistent person) are really in favor of arisuchan.
We're not even discussing any other options…>>879>There's an appeal to a cut and run solution, imo. Creating a new brand and doing it better than ever before. .jp already has better post quality than Applechan.
…but maybe there's still hope.
Seriously start thinking outside the box and make something new instead. However, I know this thread will just get spammed with more arisu banners anyways so what's the point.
I don't know what else we could call it,
WiredChan would work. JonnyChan?
>>880>I just got here and it's pretty obvious only a handful (read one very insistent person) are really in favor of arisuchan.
That is obviously not true.
>We're not even discussing any other options…
Then make one.
>…but maybe there's still hope.
Yes, there is. We haven't changed our name yet.
>Seriously start thinking outside the box and make something new instead. However, I know this thread will just get spammed with more arisu banners anyways so what's the point.
You can't be mad at someone for taking their time to contribute art which is helpful in deciding whether or not we actually like the name. I do. You don't. That's fine. We don't all have to agree.
If someone makes another proposal, I'm not going to complain about them making art to feel that idea out. Maybe we could show some appreciation to whomever is making them.
Nothing in your post was constructive. Why don't you read OP again and actually try to offer your feedback instead of criticizing everyone else for making theirs known.
This is of course a major decision and sensitive issue, but we can handle handle it in a more considerate manner.
ducks, rolls, runs out of thread before impending ban-hammer
On a less soykafpoasty note, I don't think a name change is terribly necessary. I get the appeal, but is the situation now really any different to .jp's launch? You've already weathered one storm of people with near violent conviction arguing that you shouldn't have used the name Lainchan, I don't see why now is any different irrespective of the soykaf-show going on somewhere else. If anything the soykaf-shows going on elsewhere further legitimise your reasons for launching .jp.
I mean it's not a dealbreaker for me, it just seems like a regression in a sense to me.
>>884>Lainchan, I don't see why now is any different irrespective of the soykaf-show going on somewhere else.
Because that somewhere else is also called Lainchan. We needlessly associate ourselves with each of his increasingly poor decisions. It's a shame that we should feel pressured to change the name, but that doesn't mean it isn't warranted.
Just a suggestion based on>Seriously start thinking outside the box and make something new instead. However, I know this thread will just get spammed with more arisu banners anyways so what's the point.
The main advantage of Tohachan is its works well, and is cyb still.
from posting styles, I'd say there are at least three people in support of arisuchan…and that is rather conservative.
One other sorta weird thought that just came to me thinking about the arisu/alice/various kanji deal:
why do we even need _one_ name? there is no reason we cannot register say, five different domains and make them all point to the same place.
I don't think that's a bad idea. It could play on the Alice in Wonderland theme already present in >>853
. Considering it is the inspiration for Arisu's name, it seems more than appropriate.
why do you even need to be using a names again? to some degree it makes sense for kalyx; people are directly talking with them. but that doesnt warrant shmibs' and seph's named contributions. i have a name too, and people here know me by it. perhaps if i were to throw that name behind some choice people would listen to me more.
but part of the goal of an anonimized image board is to make people listen to what is said, not who says it. to pay attention to the arguments, and not to the faces.
this argument, is i fear, at risk of being dominated by a few personalities, and though i respect shimbs and seph, there are other lains, arisus, tohas, alices, or whatever you want to call us now, and it seems the community is better served if you keep your names to yourselves and let your words speak on their own merits.
I like arisuchan the most so far as well but something like cyberia would not be bad either
I agree, the name should be based on SEL.
I like arisuchan and wiredchan.
Navichan or even tachibanachan could be other options based on the SEL universe.
Arisuchan immediately clicked with me. It's catchy and it looks good as a domain.
everyone in this thread rn tbh. disgusting. facepalm I can't even. jfc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QgCLPHunQ0
I agree, multiple domains are very possible.
I like arisuchan and/or alicechan>>890
I don't think it's fair to allow namefagging for kalyx, but not for other well-known people. Seems a bit double to me.>>896
looks very nice but could you make the alicechan.jp in line with the other text?
I cant even right now.
I get were you are coming from. I have massive respect for Seph and honestly look up to her in a lot of ways.
Seeing her name adds an unconscious bias to me, shimbs, eh didn't even notice it.
I do think as a imagebord we do have the power of anonymity, our ideas are valuable, our identities are not. For the most part the identities we do have are restricted to IRC or other platforms.
As you say, I could stick my name on this post, people would read it differently as a result, doubt anyone would take it me seriously though.
I thought your intention was not making the site look retarded.
Is this really what it must come to? Saltiness and snark, factions and fighting, attacks and arrogance? Is our bold effort to assert that we are a community defined not by one domain, but by an ethos, a spirit, proven wrong? Is lainchan truly dead, feebly marching on, zombielike, trying to find itself as it once was, but on the very edge of total failure? Is the infighting growing to the point where no choices can be made without putting our administration–our community, on the brink of disaster?
I love Lain. I really do. You're making me sad, friends. You're making me scared. . . .
yeh, sorry about that; didn't mean to be all "hey, this is me having an identity and strong-arming peeps into thinking correctly!". was posting specifically to reply to kalyx, since had been talking with seph about this stuff and it sounded like my name ended up mentioned in the super secret admin chatroom. only other time namefig-ing on here has been for zine stuff, so is weird to me too (though, once a name's out there, would also feel dishonest to stop using it partway through the thread)
as for seph, totally makes sense for her to make an opinion known, seeing as she's an admin / founder / big part of this place existing at all person.
This is a discussion mate, settle down.
don't try to make it something its not.
Seems the desisions made anyway.
If we didn't want people to use names the first box up top wouldn't be "Name"..
Well yeah sure if you want to ignore the last almost 2 decades of chan culture.
The name box has its uses, but in chan culture its discouraged unless needed, and to be fair somtimes it is.
Chans have always been Ideas not Identities.
For what it matters, I agree as well. What's happening at .org is something we CAN NOT abide and we CAN NOT stay associated with. I like arisuchan as it's like one step away from lainchan but it's one significant enough to allow us to not be tarred with that brush. Regardless of if it's arisuchan or something totally different, I don't think we can stay lainchan. That water is tainted now with an unclensable filth.
just wanted to say, cause thats just like, really massivley cool and perfect for your post and thats a darned cool gif, gosh.
As much as Appleman has shat up the legacy, there still a certain association that comes with the name "Lainchan." I don't wanna say Lainchan is "well-known" or anything, but both Sushigirl and Tsukichan (Systemspace) cite it as a direct inspiration for creating their own imageboards.
Not to mention Laintracker, Lainzine, Lainfile, GitLain, etc. that would all make less sense if we renamed to something like "Arisuchan."
When people who are unfamiliar with the site see "Lainchan" at least they might think "Oh, huh, that reminds me, I've heard of Serial Experiments Lain," but with Arisuchan/Alicechan there's no connection unless you're already familiar with the show. Arisu/Alice just isn't iconic in the same way Lain is. >>927
I'm not in favor of the name change by any means, but this is a massively cool .gif.
It looks like people on applechan are trying to get Appleboy to remove the pedo thread, by the way: https://applechan/q/res/3741.html#4161
Not sure if removing the thread undoes the damage the whole thing has already done to the "image" of Lainchan, but yeah. If anything, the pedo incident has made more people realize how soykafty Appleman and Applechan are and how much better things are over here. (See attached images for details.)
I love everyone's enthusiasm but let me tell you 99% chance over my dead body its not going to be arisuchan.
are you cool with >>888
's idea of multiple names potentially including arisuchan in addition to something else?
well, for the zine at least, not sure what's going to happen. are talking about name things maybe there too, and guess will see what happens after this all calms down
just a really ugh situation, and doesn't feel comfortable being over at other place at all right now, as much as was trying to make things work… but yeh, nothing really "decided".
could we not start spreading those pictures and things around here too now, though? please?
I am against the name on principle just like I am against people thinking both lainchan's would somehow coexist.
best solution seems to be several domains going to the site … alicechan.jp arisuchan.jp or whatever
From what I am reading it looks like arisuchan is the popular choice and i do not get why there is an issue
The perceived popularity is false.
>>939>The perceived popularity is false.
That's a solid argument you've got there.
What if we just go all out on the jp branding?
LAINCHAN.JP on everything as opposed to just lainchan?>>939
So you are saying Tohachan still has a chance.
A better chance than Arisuchan does.
there are like, two people advocating tohachan, compared to quite a several at least for arisuchan–its the only one with wide support that isnt "I just don't want to change the name"
Why is your support for the board contingent on a name? I'd keep posting even if we stayed lainchan.jp, but if people want Arisuchan.jp or anything else, what's the issue?
Because I know something you don't.
Could you elaborate?
Kalyx makes no reasonable objection to arisuchan yet single-handedly gets to drown out the opinions of everyone else. He started this thread and got everyone excited to start something new and then he promptly lets us down and tells us we're wasting our breathe. That's not very nice.
Everything has been cleared up behind the scenes. ignore all of this.
And whats happening?
Are you saying ignore what you were saying (not changing the name to the most popular choice)?
Or that this thread was for naught?
It's not as popular as it appears. I handled it outside of the thread. Keep going with the suggestions.
I like arisuchan/alicechan so is my suggestion invalidated
It's kind of insulting to chock this up to some astroturfing conspiracy theory, which is what I think is being said. Posting anonymously doesn't invalidate opinions, especially when a thread is made with the intention of getting people's feedback.
It's demoralizing to think that first impressions and appearances (whether a visitor who comes to the site is going to get hung up on transliteration, which I doubt any native Japanese would ever really care about) stand in the way of implementing what appears to be the most popular of the options presented.
>>960>what appears to be the most popular
To be fair, what appears to be is the important part there.
I could be distorted due to all the banner posting, its not unwelcome, but there is a lot of it.
I cant think of a single alternative. fuuukkkkkkk
Given Mina lost herself to the wired, seems apt and she was family
I've only touched .org once since the split, what questionable content are you talking about?
The kind of questionable content that involves children.
Hey, anyone up for splitting off and starting アリスchan?>>969
We could just steal one from another imageboard.
I like the Arisuchan name.
I vote Toha heavy Industries. The site already reminds me of it. Alice in Cyberland/ia would be a decent compromise tho. These aren't really URL names but some themes I'd be okay with.
Anything to do with a really young looking, innocent girl (ie. Lain) is pretty much ruined now. >>972
Basically the fruit-named admin on the other site is sympathetic towards cp. There's a huge thread over there if you want to sift through the details but it's enough to warrant a name change and I doubt we're the only ones considering it now.
I'm coming up blank as well but I'm happy to see some other alternatives.>>975>Hey, anyone up for splitting off and starting アリスchan?
I would still stay here.
>>980>I would still stay here.
But what if here becomes Arisuchan?
To be fair Arisu always looked and seemed like a older teenager, Lain seemed to be a young child at points, Arisu Always seemed much older.
But I agree, with what you said.>>982
Then we can't do anything about it.
Holy soykaf you bunch of unimaginative, weaboo autists can you not go outside of your goddamn comfort zone? Do we want a community that attracts hackers and cyberpunks? That is the goal with our project right? To attract those types of people so that our discussions will be alive, active and evolving and not stagnating, right? THEN WHAT'S WITH THE INSISTANCE OF THIS OBSCURANTIST WEEB-ABSOLUTISM?
Let me contribute with some cyberpunk names from off the top of my head:
This toha thing is from that shounen in space wow boy saves the day and wants to have sex manga, right? Please no.
I personally liked the arisu thing, because of the multiple overlaps (follow the white rabbit through the wired to cyberland), but whatever.>>985
/cyb/ for /cyb/'s sake is a problem, aesthetic over interesting. Also, may as well be blandchan.
Seriously? Its a theme, something to enjoy.
There's lots of places like what you describe around, 8Chan's Cyber for example. The Cyberpunked forums, etc.
Do we want this to just be another obscure chan? Lainchans draw was the lain theme and cyberpunk.>>986>Not reading the Mangas
Toha is from a lot more than that one rather odd anime, its ever present in Tsutomu Nihei's cyberpunk works. One could say it streches the boundaries of each magas universe, creating a lot more questions that it solves.
I don't know. I still am really sold on arisuchan.
Huh, ok. That sounds kind of interesting, though not really related.
Arisuchan or cryptochan sound cool.
I like Toha Heavy Industries as it's seems more inclusive. It presents a theme vs. a single character that some of us don't even relate with. Honestly, I don't relate to Lain or Arisu either but I understand the need to have some sort of mascot. Makes me wonder what Arisu would look like in Blame… maybe like Sanakan? >>982
As long as it's not a split I can accept that. There's going to be some level of compromise in the end but I'd like to be a part of something we all had some input in.>>986
I know it from Tsutomu Nihei's cyberpunk/biopunk manga Blame! I haven't read Biomega yet but there's probably a reference over there too. I had no idea "Toha" was a thing in some other works as noted by >>987
. Also, good point on blandchan… can't be too generic.
pic: cover for a programming manual I thought was neat. yes, that is by Moebius
other pic: Sanakan or Blame! version of Arisu
PIC related, BioMega,
Its also in Sidonia no Kishi, its kinda like no matter what Universe Toha is there, and the Gravitational Beam Gun.
>>991>I like Toha Heavy Industries as it's seems more inclusive. It presents a theme vs. a single character that some of us don't even relate with.
Agreed, Its growing on me as a theme.
It also avoids the problem of saying "lets all love lain." As we are no longer talking about an individual but a theme there is no conflict.
Also the fiction being a lot more obscure I am now tempted to read the Manga with Toha in it. Its introduced me to new Cyberpunk lore and world I am excited by.
The creator tries to focus on Architecture, setting and place more than anything. The structure they are in is 5.2AU in size and keeps growing.
Its full of pockets of humanity sand the main "cooler than you" guy is trying to find someone with net genes to access the net and both stop the city from growing and the fact systems killing all human life.
There is a story there, but it starts getting fleshed out later. The creators works are considered cult work like Lain.
got caught up and made one of those banner things too now X_X
just playing around with the idea>>999
the architecturing is interesting, yeh, but it's just too much violence-glorification to stomach
I'm about to start reading blame!, I just got a copy down, haven't read enough /cyb manga.>>994
again I am mostly unfamiliar with tsutomu nihei's stuff, but companies are also entities, and from what it looks like toha is generally a military / military-industrial one. I don't know about you, but I am not so big on that sort of 'killing people' thing. If >>995
makes an accurate characterization, then the picture of that name is one that is incredibly different from lain and sel, especially as referenced through a character like arisu.
Maybe we could get an actual person, a person who is interesting, complex, perhaps even relatable, from one of this authors works, rather than selecting something with this sort of connotations.
Toha is flaws, but its never been out there to kill people.
Toha was oddly always out to seek the continued existence of mankind. In all the works that's what it did. Im not going to spoil Blame! But in all three fictions Toha defended people against threats.
Toha develops tech to kill things that threaten people, not a cold megacorp that just doesn't care.
IMO its an used as an Anchor in all of his works.
Don't get me wrong though Blame! Is a brutal uncaring world, Toha was a beacon of hope in it. As it was in Biomega and Sidonia.
/r9k/ might get the wrong idea.
>>1005>Unless you guys are exclusively married to picking something from an anime, it seems like it could be a good fit.
It's more about staying with SEL than staying with anime. No one wants to stop calling one another lain or stop affiliating with other lain platforms and services.
This isn't about finding a completely new identity. All of the banners even use the same font. It's about not using the same exact name as applechan. The only other suggestion that would achieve this is Wiredchan, but that doesn't look or sound nearly as good as Arisuchan.
Too arcane compared to Lainchan or Arisuchan. Also too long in character count. It just looks ugly.
Not horrible but will immediately be associated with /r9k/ and I'm not sure that's something we want.
How about Sprawl.jp or something similar?
>>985>Do we want a community that attracts hackers and cyberpunks? [Do we want] to attract these types of people so that our discussions will be alive, active and evolving and not stagnating?
Your best suggestions were channoir, ohmchan and cypherchan
I was going to say toha.industries might be better but it looks like that was just taken. Is that one of you all here?
in any case I am not totally sure that theme resonates with me to a great degree.
channoir sounds, interesting and cool but not very computer/tech/wired. Cypherchan seems almost too tech and lacks the more complex connotations associated with some of the names people are drawing from say, SEL. Ohm chan, uhh, I just don't hardly see how that relates, maybe a little bit, but I mean, gosh lets just call it derailleur-chan because I saw some people talking about bikes in a thread a while back.
Is it the East Coast of the USA or is it Japan? lol
nobody is suggesting arisumizuki.social by that same token.>>1014
If you advertise that up front it comes across as>cybmemes.1337
still better than blandchan but still ew.
>>1016>Cypherchan seems almost too tech and lacks the more complex connotations associated with some of the names people are drawing from say, SEL. >too tech>lacking as "complex connotations" as Fiction/1990s/anime/cyberpunk/supporting-character
>Ohm chan, uhh, I just don't hardly see how that relates, maybe a little bithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm>The ohm (symbol: Ω) is the SI derived unit of electrical resistance
>but I mean, gosh lets just call it derailleur-chan because I saw some people talking about bikes in a thread a while back.
At this point I'm doubting if you're even criticizing in good faith anymore
Are you implying the answer is "its Japan lol" simply due to the .jp of this domain? Are you also suggesting this over-fetishation of japanese elements isn't alienating the larger pool of potential users rather than inviting them? And what 'types' of people are we alienating rather than inviting? I'd argue we're alienating the technically ambitious people and inviting the über-niche weebs and retro/aesthetic posers.
I was thinking just TohaChan as it goes quite well together. As per >>1019
I think its cool we have an opportunity to rebrand and become something new, why now grab it and run with it?
Stagnation is the enemy, there are people that are very angry with concept lainchan now on the other boards, they avoid anything to do with it.
Toha, may not be ideal but I'm now on board, it will help us forge a new identity for this site.
Lest we get more comments like
>This kind of soykaf is why both lainchans should just die off.
It seems lainchans name is being dragged trough the mud at the moment.
High Tech, Low Life.
The people are living as rats in a city that turned against them.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
It seems like we are getting to questions about what, in essence, is this site supposed to be?
One of the ideas I keep comming back to, is what is cyberpunk. Is lainchan even cyberpunk? does anyone even know what that word means?
An oft-thrown around defenition is of course, the high tech low life thingimajig. Now that's cool, but it leaves things very ambiguous, and we here defenitly do not encompass all that fits under that banner. Somehow I doubt a lot of us here would support efforts to swell our community by advertising to script kiddies, but at the same time I feel that script kiddies are incredibly cyberpunk (and am willing to arm wrestle anyone who disagrees with me).
So what does lainchan actually look like? What community are we trying to encapsulate with this name choice?
>>1027>When whining hyperbolically is confused as constructive>>1029
A community for hacker and cyberpunk/electronic/digital/etc. culture.
>>1030>When whining hyperbolically is confused as constructive
that post isnt whining. It has complaints but they're not unjustified. We all have different visions for what we want this site to be and just because someone else disagrees with you doesnt mean that they can be just disregarded.
We all care about lainchan a great deal. We also disagree with eachother about lainchan. But we need to work together to try to realize a collective vision for what lainchan is, and what lainchan should be.
Has already pointed out that arisuchan is incredibly unlikely. Toha was another suggestion was put on the table by CBurner, she thought it incredibly unlikely but why not put it out there as it seemed arisuchan was a sure thing.
You are always welcome to come up with another. But remember >>954
>>1029>So what does lainchan actually look like? What community are we trying to encapsulate with this name choice?
There's no easy answer but the one thing I think
we can agree on is that it's not a place for pedophiles. We wouldn't be contemplating a name change otherwise.>>1032>We all care about lainchan a great deal. We also disagree with each other about lainchan. But we need to work together to try to realize a collective vision for what lainchan is, and what lainchan should be.
In the end I trust the staff to make a timely decision while taking our thoughts into account.
So, JP staff, at some point can we have some sort of decision or at least give us a solid base to work with? We can continue to discuss but that can only go on for so long until this degrades into fandom hate or a gender/race/bullsoykaf strawman pops up.
If you guys haven't said your piece, get in here and post already!
We haven't decided to do anything or nothing yet because everyone is in the middle of personal irl stuff that comes first.
When I made lainchan I wanted it to be a place for the things I liked and the lifestyle I was living. Which was about Computers, low-life, anime, social-engineering, low-budget hardware hacking, mechanical stuff, drugs, drugs, dxm, drugs, dreams, and basically Case from Neuromancer. I never cared much for programmers or politics. I consider both of those things not-chill for lainchan. We are sooo many levels removed from 2014 so I have no idea how much weight this has anymore.
Seconded. Lyokochan sounds like a dope-ass name.
And this is why I like old lainchan, whatever issues one may have with kalyx, the original intent of his site was pretty dope. Though I got there as a programmer and saw a space for hackers. Obviously I'm speaking of learning-nifty-soykaf type of hackers.
It's kind of funny that as of present /λ/ is the only somewhat decent board in old lainchan, partly thanks to princ tripcode, but he is also partly guilty that it has mostly become a insider trade of lispers who think they are the saviours of all things computer.
I'll get a tattoo of the new name of this joint
Call it GhostChan.
I've been hanging on to the sprawl.city domain on the off chance that I'd ever want to do anything cyber-ish with it, but I'd be happy to transfer it over to the current lainchan.jp admins if they'd be interested in using it for the new main site domain.
sprawl.city is a pretty awesome domain name to have a hold of. As a big fan of the sprawl trilogy I hope something becomes of that. :)
And I'm liking all this discussion on who and what we are and which direction we're heading. And while I'd love there to be a sprawl themed site, I think in my heart of hearts that this place is too rooted in SEL to depart from that.
This is who we are and while we can't stay with this name due to the actions of .org I think we can still keep the same rhythm and the same vibe.
That's why Arisuchan.jp speaks so much to me. It's still SEL, it's still who we are but its different enough that we don't have to specify that we're not that
lainchan. It's a change that needs to happen but it's the least painful of the options and to me it's the most logical.
It allows us to stay in the SEL universe where we have made our home but it even opens up new avenues, roads as of yet untrodden, rabbit holes as of yet undescended. New ideas and experiences. Arisu or Alice, if you prefer can give us that.
Toha, Lyoko, Sprawl. All cool things, but not really us. We don't want to change who we fundamentally are. Arisuchan.jp is still us.
What if we get them to change THEIR name to dramachan?
I feel the site itself leans towards SEL but I'm not entirely sure about the community anymore. However, I can still see your point.>>1055
They can be cpenablerchan
I came here because of the community and the lain theme.
Honestly though the people and the content make the site, not the theme. It could be almost anything and I will still be here.>>1055
I don't know at the moment, I'll come here regardless of the theme of the site.
how can you have any of that without programmers?
how can you have any of this without miners, toiling away to pull rare earths out of the ground? without corps running intercontinental supply chains to connect their far flung enterprises, without the drug manufactures and dealers, without the authors and the publishes and the workers in the factory that oversee the production of the paper?
i shant say that programmers dont belong here, surely they are welcome, but it seems what kalyx was saying is just that that wasnt quite the point of the site. you can talk about computers without talking about the fineries of metalurgy, and likewise you can be interested in computers, affected by, involved with computers, without needing to delve into the coding side.
So we would be more on the side of privacy, security, cryptography?
You can have plenty of that without having to breed autism from politics and "programming" (or using lisp).
kalyxx can you lurk the club cyberia on Tox.
Have I got a story for you.
no but you cn email me or just tell me here..
Although I can't say the linguistic reasons matter very much to me, I prefer alicechan to arisuchan. Maybee its because arisuchan seems like a mouthful to say, while alice rolls off the tongue better.
I still like ohmchan.
It has both the electronics aspect of 'cyber'
and the socio-political 'resistance' of 'punk'.
Fully agree. To a layperson "arisuchan" makes it sound like just another anime imageboard. "alicechan" has connotations of the playful intelligent craziness of the Lewis Carroll books, while also keeping a tie to one of the most important characters in SEL.
Why can't we have both? It's a single line in the nginx configuration.
If you look at the banners, some say Arisuchan and other say Alicechan. Some link to arisuchan.jp and others link to alicechan.jp. I think it would be more appropriate to have both than just one or the other.>>1040
If you want a name that that alludes to both drugs and dreams, I don't think we could do better than Alicechan!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aeWicwy7fA
The Alice in Wonderland books are known for having math/logic/linguistic references, so Alicechan seems like it'd be a good name for a board with stuff like that. I'm not particularly insistent on getting the name change, but I figure I'd note that there's some other ways in which the name Alice seems appropriate.
Though if we're changing the name, I'd be interested in seeing how well a site that runs chan software without having chan in the name attracts people who might otherwise be turned off by misperceiving any *chan website as having a 4chan-esque culture. It's not like someone who confuses the .org and .jp sites isn't likely to conflate all chans in general.>>815
Rainchan as a name would put emphasize on the importance of community precipitation.
Am I the only one bothered that it by the "chan", does it really have to end in that.
fuck I love you guys <3 <3 <3
>>1104>God how can you compete with that.
I still think >>924
is the best.
>>1098>a non autistic programming board
is it hidden?
I think that arisuchan is kinda weird, Arisu doesn't has anything to do with computers and stuff, Lain does. It just feels like a forced SEL reference. Maybe we should pick something else not so strongly related to SEL? I think this site has left its roots anyway. Also a red theme as in >>1098
looks badass and would distinguish us from lainchan even more.
-ghostchan (GIST bonus)
IMO Cyberchan fits the site (considering there isn't one)
We can also do it without the *chan if anyone has a nice idea.
Yeah, just "bland" is a little better than "blandchan", I guess.
Don't take it personal, but some of those are kind of lame.
How about we just change to NSA.jp?
Even better, we just each buy the domain that we want for this place, be it arisuchan.jp, cyberchan.ninja, kalyx.cock, whatever. Each links their domain to the server's IP, and we make banners for all those domains.
I can dig a GITS themed site. Red theme would be cool too.
I think that ghostchan or cyberchan actually sound cool
I know they sound lame, but IMO its still better than arisuchan, it just makes no sense.
A GITS theme would work,
ghostchan.jp (kind of sounds paranormal tho)
Just off the top of my head:
…still kinda long and awkward sounding. However, I'd want to use elements from the anime and manga as the live action kind of soykafs on the source content.>>1133
Alicechan is a better alternative to arisu.
However, I don't know how relevant this is anymore as stated in >>1040
things like that seem cute , but also pretty silly and inane, more along the lines of 'we are le 1337 haXX0r pr0gramrz lol'.
Thats perfectly cool and OK, but I know I am not here for that vibe, and I sorta feel like if the initial link I followed to this site had been to nsa.club, I'd have been less interested I think. Even a neutral name is better than that, to be perfectly honest.
I'd be down for GITS Chan,
The futristic vibe on GITS is great.
This, I'm tired of all the chan ending.
But, is it possible to host a .chan domain?
open nic allows that, but not icann at this time.
I'm for this, no need for chan
How about TheWired.jp
Hell yeah. Kinda hard to think of a name for that though. Thought maybe laughingman.chan would work but >>1144
Ono-Sendai is a console manufactured by Hosaka. From William Gibson's novel Neuromancer.
Okay. Made a strawpoll with as many names I could find (sans the ones not allowed by strawpoll's max poll limit). I can create a second poll with any new suggestions or suggestions that aren't on this one.https://www.strawpoll.me/13351758
Arisu/Alicechan makes no fucking sense. How about the new name is <randomSELcharacter>chan? Alice was unrelated to computers or hacking and we don't need to force another SEL reference, IMO the site isn't SEL related-only, there is much more stuff going on, mostly related to cyberpunk, thats why alicechan would be totally inaccurate.
I suggest chisachan.jp
Chisa remained in the wired after all and that's how SEL starts…
Could conflate us with that weird suicide cult, Systemspace, Not a good idea, imo.
they are basically lainchan for kids. very bad idea given the initial problem at the other sire.
>Not even fucking Alice, but Arisu
Just go ahead and name us weebchan you fucking autists. Who cares about cyberpunk right? This is a contest on who can make the most obscure chan possible, after all.
And no, 'Alice' isn't any better since this all started with wanting to escape association with pedodom and Lewis Carroll was a massive one.
There's no genuine evidence one way or the other about that, just supposition and rumour. All that's absolutely known
is that Charles Dodgson (Lewis Carroll's real name) had various crises of conscience through his life that led him to destroy parts of his personal diaries. He wrote that he destroyed those pages due to a sense of guilt that he'd sinned.
But you have to remember that he was a devout Anglican priest in Victorian England. People in that society could be induced to feel debilitating guilt over the slightest social or religious infraction, no matter how innocent by modern standards. It was a sick society.
SEL is one of the few Chinese cartoons I've actually watched, and I like the name Arisuchan.
I think it's more weebish to be pedantic over transliteration.
>>1163>I think it's more weebish to be pedantic over transliteration.
Not when east-Asian appropriation is among the cringies current trends in the west. It's like when people get a tattoo in Japanese that they think means "serenity", meanwhile the Japanese tattoo artist wrote "fuck you" or something.
We are an online primarily tech-focused community (judging by imageboard threads overall) of 100% English interaction. I find continuing on from 'Lain'chan to 'Arisu'chan would be 100% misguided by what the content of our chan actually was. I think Arisuchan would be the death-blow (in the long term, since our outside-attraction would be so insufficient) to this already split community. I simply refuse to let this mistake be made unchallenged.
>>1163>>1164>downplaying racism in true weeb fashion>>1165
It's either that weebs are just not self-aware or arisu/alice have been fetishized by this group. Seems like we're just looking for easy ways to swap out the mascot and not looking beyond that anyways.
>I think Arisuchan would be the death-blow
At least we'll have nice banners?
You two have obviously not read the arguments about the transliteration present in this thread.
While you are hyper-focusing on this you are also ignoring all of the actual arguments being made for why arisu/alice-chan is a good name.
The best solution is described in >>1074
. We could probably even set it up such that the address in the urlbar is randomly swapped between arisuchan.jp and alicechan.jp whenever you click a link. When people share links to posts they can select to type arisuchan.jp or alicechan.jp or just use whatever happened to be in the urlbar at the time. Having links to both domains floating around would be interesting.>>1165>I think Arisuchan would be the death-blow (in the long term, since our outside-attraction would be so insufficient) to this already split community.
Are you really here for the name and the name alone? If so, I think you are doing it wrong. If anything, changing our name would yield the complete opposite. It would generate curiosity and interest from those outside of applechan. We should be looking to expand our community and not just sieve members from the old site. Building an new identity somewhere between Serial Experiments Lain
and Alice in Wonderland
seems like a worthwhile experiment.
I mean, I don't know about all the people here, but I know there are a lot of people who came to this chan totally unaware of who lain was, what she meant, and having never seen sel, and who still seem to me to be pretty darned cool people who deserve to be here.
They came, some into anime, and some not, to a chan named after some anime girl, unaware of what she stood for and what she meant.
I think our attraction comes largely from being the chill artsy /cyb chan, and maybe some people are brought in by the lain name, but they still would leave if we had lousy content, and in all odds they might give us a peek anyway, even if we were named with something that had zero resonance with them.
I honestly don't care much for SEL but I like the community enough to stay regardless. Now since the opportunity to re-brand is here, I figured that I'd opt for more change than less.
Lets Love Seph =3
I like Seph as much as the next guy, but naming an imageboard after an admin seems a little contrived.
Change it to:
"The fast Lain"
Any idea when we'll know something about the name change?
I don't see it happening desu
ohmchan is so much cooler than arisuchan
Hmm, what about easterncalcul.us then?
I already own
actually, but I am very much committed to remaining lainchan or switching to arisuchan/alicechan.
well so I guess it looks like we are without options…,
alice and arisuchan are teribad
lainchan or alicechan/arisuchan
>says a load of folks in this thread:
we should probably change the name
is there a way we could simply drop having a name alltogether? cause it doesnt look like we have a way to proceed
I'd prefer to take some sort of action and I would hate to think we just wasted our time talking in circles. I believe it's more complicated than a re-branding and aesthetics but I trust the admins to take the next step before things get stagnant.
Please don't name it arisuchan/alicechan
I'll put my metaphorical vote behind alicechan (I'm a fan of Lewis Carroll, what can I say?) with arisuchan a close second.
have we considered a neuromancer theme?
one like casechan.jp
I can't read this without the phrase "Notice me, Dixie-senpai!" running through my head.
As far as the morbid symbology and subreptitious references go, I like alice. I agree with >>1084
as well. It could be something more creative than alicechan, like alicenoir or alice.space.
I like it less chan, less anime-centric, less cultish. As for the aesthetic/recurring theme; you don't enforce culture like it's law, you make culture through your interactions. I think we have enough personality to leave the chan+anime+etc culture behind, and cutting the cord from lainchan could be the transition event. As for the *lain projects, I think they can each discuss the matter and transition at will, if they think that the change can be an evolution for the better. The alizine for example could be less bleeding cyb and more playful, less technical, more /zzz/, etc, alice could be to .jp as .jp is to .org. It's a new perspective, a transition.
Also Kalyx is cyb and fun but this thread is bonkers. >Kalyx: what should we do with the name?>everyone: change it to arisuchan or alicechan.>Kalyx: anything but change it to arisuchan or alicechan, over my dead body.>everyone: [drama]>Kalyx: [weird statements]>everyone: [other ideas and domain names speculation]>Kalyx: old lainchan was nice>everyone: ^>Kalyx: oh no idk what to do>everyone: change it to arisuchan or alicechan.>>1079>Rainchan as a name would put emphasize on the importance of community precipitation.
It reminds me of that Blade Runner quote about tears in rain or tears in the rain.>>1162>People in that society could be induced to feel debilitating guilt over the slightest social or religious infraction, no matter how innocent by modern standards.
But his tale is up to the eyebrows in drug references. He'd be angry-mob-lynched in that kind of society for publishing that to children.
A conversation is bonkers to you?
btw perfect blue was something I considered back in 2014 in parallel to going with lainchan.
One of the great tragedies of life is that the world never saw a Satoshi Kon/David Lynch collaboration.
I agree with all that say "drop the *chan", it'd be a good way to separate the community we have from the soykaffest that is ChanZ.
I don't know anymore what the character of the site is supposed to be. I like the fact that we have a strong technical character, but maybe it's because I'm a computer autists. Maybe we can call ourselves HAKMEM?
Just kidding. >>1208
Perfect Blue is cool too. By the way, I know you're DA GREAT KALYX founder of lainchan n all but… what do the mods, and particularly, our admin Seph-sama think?
This conversation is going nowhere, let's just change the name to dicks.club or something.
>inb4 lainchan.jp gets forked into arisuchan
>>1210>By the way, I know you're DA GREAT KALYX founder of lainchan n all but… what do the mods, and particularly, our admin Seph-sama think?
I personally like arisu/alice-chan for all the reasons cited in >>1167
and more, but it's not just about me. I'm not going to break the staff in half over a fucking name.
So half the staff don't want to change the name, yet it looks like the majority of the community do?
Is this site catering to the staff or community, I forget?
Id like to point out the fact that the staff is part of the community, and the community composes the staff.
Looking at this thread it remains difficult to really see the leanings of the community overall, its possible that there are some people who would strongly opine here, but never visit /q and consequently are unaware of this thread, its also possible that there are people who simply see this thread as probably going no where and arent participating even though they do have an opnion on the matters at hand.
We just can't easily evaluate the actual leanings of the community here.
My non existent vote is for Eastern Calculus.
Here's a list of all the ideas I've seen so far, sorry if I missed yours.
This thread is pointless.
I really feel like it is, they're taking too long to act and I don't see sign of resolution.
we are busy bruh. Nobody who volunteers here is stretching themselves out too far like we did at old lainchan. Seph especially has been doing irl stuff. Same with me and the others. The name change/not change is not on our top ten list.
.jp isn't going anywhere. I think we've got plenty of time to sort this out, and it wasn't ever implied that it would be quick.
Eastern Calculus is the best name here. The Wired is the second runner up, I don't like starting with "The"
it's /their/ site. I couldn't care less if they change the name to pepethefrog.rocks, the community is different from the handle. That's why we have a nice userbase here after the split and all the drama that it spawned
Only us and the mods.
More than two users and this would be mayhem
I like this. It keeps the Lain association, the importance of which has already been discussed, but breaks the Lainchan association. It's also a nice wordplay. And it would satisfy the people who want to break any chan association.>>1214>its possible that there are some people who would strongly opine here, but never visit /q and consequently are unaware of this thread
This is a good point. There's been a lot of suggestions made, and a survey. I think it would be a good idea to either take the survey or make a new one (make sure it does not require JS) and make it a link at the top, under the link to /λ/. It could say something like "We are considering changing Lainchan's name. Please take this survey to let us know which name you like the most." Then, everyone on every board would see it and have a chance to quickly give their input. I would also suggest having options for "No Change" or "Lainchan" and "Other" for the people who do not want a change or do and just do not like any of the suggested names. If "other" is popular, it can be discussed more. Otherwise, whatever gets a lot of support and admin approval could be used, or the top few could get a new survey to decide the final name, etc. It would not take a lot of work and might help get things rolling a little bit.
la.industries doesn't remotely make me think of lain, but "latin america" instead.
dumb me, I didn't notice the 'la.in' part
irrelevant post so saging the sticky
Like previous posters stated, I don't think that we have to rush it. Forcing a solution right now might result in an undesirable outcome anyway. Cyberpunk, a fantasy that has become reality, certainly is an influence for the most of us. My feelings about this site is that it should be a refuge from the craziness that is happening in the wired and outside of it (take the battle between the far left and the far right as an example or the ongoing increase of living costs) and at the same time an incubator for solutions, we haven't dreamed of. In my view, we'll be able to come up with a name for this place after at least many months of activity. After a certain amount of time has passed we could take a look at what kind of users are attracted to the site and which kind of content they regularly share and discuss. We can derive a name to summarize the sites activity and describes its prevalent mood while also hinting into the direction that the community has to take.>>780
How about bingeing RL :)
A reference to the short story "The Library of Babel" by Jorge Luis Borges and its infinite, yet periodic, library (hence the reference to an aleph number).
Alice in the style of >>1075
could be a mascot (no reason to keep just one). That banner is straight-up beautiful.
My votes on alicechan or rainchan.
lol. someone should buy that just as a redirect.
I prefer alicechan to arisuchan, since it's the actual name rather than weebspeak
>>1346>I prefer alicechan to arisuchan, since it's the actual name rather than weebspeak
I think they are using both:>>1074>If you look at the banners, some say Arisuchan and other say Alicechan. Some link to arisuchan.jp and others link to alicechan.jp. I think it would be more appropriate to have both than just one or the other.
Why does the name have to be "SOMETHING"-chan ? Why not break with convention and give the site a unique name?
There are endless examples you could draw on from Serial Experiments Lain that would be true to the spirit of the site as well as unique.
> It's awkward now that applechan is associating with questionable content like (you know what I mean).
Any time your site has "chan" in the name, normal people will assume there is pedosoykaf.
Normal people cartoons of schoolgirls plastered all over your site and naturally ask, "Why would a grown man collect and share such images?" Since you've basically made a whole fucking site dedicated to an anime about this you should get used to people assuming you're a peedo.
I'm also in favor of a unique name. I'm getting tired of seeing "chan" for image boards.
not to be rude but are we trying to appeal to so called normal people? it seems the theme of this cha– erm, this site is fairly niche, and generally our audience consists of people who will be informed as to the nature of the site by the term chan, not confused unduly offput.
that said, I have nothing in principal against the use of a name other than chan
, i just dont really concur with the view that we should avoid such a name on the grounds that it has the term chan. its a description, in this case, its a valid description. there is nothing wrong with honest descriptive names.