No.387
mmm, i don't really have a problem with the feeling of regret or anything. i mean i've never really experienced major dysphoria, more or less kind of a fleeting feeling that if the choice were up to me when i was still swimming in the genetic soup bowl than I'd choose differently, but; i present as masculine, i can pull off being physically intimidating so i just accept that those are the cards i've been dealt with and get on with things. i used to have long hair once upon a time, and every so often i'd sit in front of the mirror and brush it and let my normally hard expression soften and i'd wish things were different, but alas it's not to be. i mean overall the hand i've been dealt isn't too bad; i'm still playing the game of life on 'easy' mode compared to the alternatives but yeah; i feel you. i just want to be pretty damn it.
while i'm frequently crass and lack the correct language to communicate said subject sometimes i try and not be a jackass to the people around me who either deliberately hug that androgynous line for lulz, who cd, or go whole hog and transition and i tend to bite pretty harshly when i hear other people being bigots about it.
i guess the thing that gives me hope is watching other people successfully transition and manage to still survive and be themselves.
hopefully one day people will have more of a choice, hopefully one day the world will suck a whole lot less. i do think it is slowly getting there :).
No.388
I feel the same and I'm sure many other young recluses do as well. Whether this is healthy or not, well, we wouldn't be here if there wasn't something wrong with us.
Though I'd never consider getting with a guy, I have thought about getting on HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy). Recently, even. I doubt I'll ever actually do it due to my life situation and my own inhibitions. It wouldn't be something easily accepted by the people I know (they may even try to kill me or something), nor do I think I'd ever 'pass'. And if you don't pass, what's the point? My anxiety and social phobias are bad enough as it is, I don't need to feel like soykaf every day wondering if people 'clocked' me too.
I'm not much for progressivism, but sometimes I hear the latest story about how trans girls are becoming more and more accepted and I start letting myself dream a bit.
I think part of why it's so appealing to people like us (well, can't speak for anyone but myself but yanno) is the inherent value a cute girl has. Just imagine doing all the dumb autistic stuff you do now - but as a cute girl. All of a sudden it's not so pitiable, right? That's how it works.
If I had the choice between my ideal male form Vs. my ideal female form, I'd trade in my dink any day. Probably because I'm a failure of a man and have always leaned more toward the feminine side, but my other points still count. I don't think I could ever be a 'good' man if I dedicated the rest of my life to it. That's just not me. I like cute things. If I could you'd bet your ass I'd be in skirts n frills n soykaf 24/7, no pants ever again. I wanna wear kuma pajamas like Lain and get away with it.
Life beats me down in a multitude of ways that leaves my head spinning and me wondering what point there is in anything. I've basically become a nihilist over the past year alone. But I imagine myself as a girl, and somehow I get recharged from that.
Hang in there my dude, there are people out there just like you.
No.389
I wish all of you luck. If we ever meet somehow I'd love to hook up.
No.392
STATISTICS
Transsexuals are four times more likely than the average person to be infected with HIV.
https://archive.is/6EvelAbout 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older.
https://archive.is/eWGp2https://archive.is/jyQVDMRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men.
https://archive.is/8wMFZ41% of transsexuals have tried and failed to commit suicide.
https://archive.is/6EvelTranssexuals who undergo sex reassignment surgery are more likely to commit suicide.
https://archive.is/05VoZ65% of transsexual youth have seriously considered suicide within the last year.
37% of transsexual youth have attempted suicide within the last year.
Most young transsexuals have committed self-harm within the last twelve months.
1 in 10 young transsexuals has attempted suicide more than three times in the last year.
https://archive.is/uJoYUOnly 21% of transsexuals can successfully pass as the opposite gender.
https://archive.is/vL3ZB53% of mothers of transsexual children have Borderline Personality Disorder, compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children.
https://archive.is/xZ8Ie16% of transsexuals have been sent to jail or prison, compared to 2.7% of the general population.
https://archive.is/m72PHGay and transgender students are half as likely to graduate high school as straight students.
https://archive.is/oaHQo No.393
>>391>picnever ever
>>392Yeah, I'm well aware. Another reason why I'm hesitant to give in; though, to be fair, I'm pretty sure most of the damage has already been done.
I might just crossdress at home, which sounds rly shameful when I put it in words. Never imagined I'd be thinking about this stuff. Geez.
No.394
Just because you like playing dress up doesn't mean you have to use yourself as the doll. Why not find a submissive girl and make her into what you think is close to the ideal female.
I think a lot of what you guys enjoy about this is the ability find your version of an ideal girl even if that means using yourself as a girl.
>I think part of why it's so appealing to people like us (well, can't speak for anyone but myself but yanno) is the inherent value a cute girl has. Just imagine doing all the dumb autistic stuff you do now - but as a cute girl. All of a sudden it's not so pitiable, right? That's how it works.
Is the problem that you're not a cute girl or that you don't like yourself ? Being trans and especially if you're passable is a great way to get attention and affection from other people and that can feel good but it does nothing to eliminate the actual problem which seem to be that you don't have a high opinion of yourself.
No.395
>>394>Why not find a submissive girl and make her into what you think is close to the ideal femaleNot really an option for me. Bitter recluse here.
>Is the problem that you're not a cute girl or that you don't like yourself ?Both. If I was a cute girl I'd have a high opinion of myself - but if I already had a high opinion of myself, I wouldn't want to be a cute girl. I'm a pile of bad genes as it is.
Being a girl in general would a better fit for me. I don't have the qualities a guy should have. I'm quiet, submissive. Trusting. Weak-willed.
Too bad the die was already cast. I'm doomed to be mediocre.
No.396
>>395Are you really sure you want to be a girl? Something tells me you are still attracted to women but feel nobody is looking for your "type".
>I'm quiet, submissive. Trusting. Weak-willed.Well are you okay with a dominant partner? Sometimes the female is the dominant one in a relationship and not all of them are looking for the manly man types. There's someone for everyone out there but you, being a shut in, is going to have a hard time meeting someone. You don't need to "man up" to find someone, especially if you're some kind of bishie.
Anyways, if you really do feel like a girl I suppose crossdressing or trying makeup might help. Maybe you will be cute? but at least be honest with yourself and have a hard look in the mirror while you're at it too.
No.397
>>395>I don't have the qualities a guy should have. I'm quiet, submissive. Trusting. Weak-willedI mean. I dont want to diminish your problems, but to me this sounds like you're falling into some stereotyping here. Plenty of men are submissive and trusting, and thats ok, plenty of women arent, and that's ok, too.
this is not to say you arent, or could not be trans, just that it seems a little simplistic to characterize genders in such a clear cut fashion, and perhaps not relevant to internal questioning.
No.398
>>396>Something tells me you are still attracted to women but feel nobody is looking for your "type".Well, yeah. I'm straight. Though if I were to start crossdressing or something it'd be in the privacy of my own home, I don't even entertain the possibility of intimacy anymore. Especially not in the case I actually end up doing that stuff.
Maybe crossdressing makes me gay anyway. I don't even know, dude.
>Well are you okay with a dominant partner?I wouldn't be comfortable with surrendering what remains of my masculinity unless I was trying to be a girl. Dunno what that says about me. I guess I don't want to be an "in-between".
>Maybe you will be cute?:з
>>397>I dont want to diminish your problems, but to me this sounds like you're falling into some stereotyping here.Well, that's what the genders are traditionally. I tend to think in those terms. Maybe it doesn't make sense coming from me, but w/e. That's how I was taught.
>this is not to say you arent, or could not be transWho knows, maybe I'm just a fetishist. I'm not gonna bite your head off if you don't agree with the term I use.
All I know is, I'd like to be a girl if I could. No icky half measures like gender reassignment surgery.
No.400
>>394>Just because you like playing dress up doesn't mean you have to use yourself as the doll. Why not find a submissive girl and make her into what you think is close to the ideal female. because i want to be that submissive girl. i'm not interested in women, but even if i were to find myself in a relationship with a girl like that for whatever reason, i think it would just make me feel worse about myself, since she would be a constant reminder of what i am not.
>Is the problem that you're not a cute girl or that you don't like yourself ? Being trans and especially if you're passable is a great way to get attention and affection from other people and that can feel good but it does nothing to eliminate the actual problem which seem to be that you don't have a high opinion of yourself.a little bit of column a, a little bit of column b. to be fair, i know transitioning wouldn't stop me from disliking myself. at this point i don't think it would ever be possible for me to truly "like" myself unless i were to like become a monk and live the monastic life. in my mind, i would be more content with my lot in life as a girl just because i feel that's where i belong
(i'm not entirely sure what this means, really. i don't feel like i am a boy, but, based off of my perceptions of women thanks to family/school/whatever, i feel even further away from the average female. i don't fall into either side neatly, but i guess my tendencies and desires are the roots of me feeling so disconnected with my sex.). even if everything else remained the exact same, i think i would feel at least a little bit better (assuming the best-case scenario where i don't fuck anything with my body up and my family doesn't drive me to suicide) just for getting away from this soykafty in-between state. it would by no means be a solution to anything in my life, but i think it would at least be like a painkiller or something.
No.402
Guys, take it form a 100% tots reals Tranny.
If you don't have gender dysphoria, do not for the love of everything go on HRT. It will fuck you up.
If you do go through with it, you will spend the rest of your life chasing femininity, and being annoyed at yourself for doing it.
>>392Heh, troll.
Nice Bate Mate, I Rate Eight Out Of Eight.
>>400Just relax and be yourself, sounds more like you have anxiety over the expectations others put on you.
No.404
>>403>Also the number of mtf in seclusive, nerd communities is rising simply because those nerds are growing up and think they have no chances at getting a gf so instead they want to be the woman they crave.This sounds exactly what is going on ITT.
No.405
>>403>there is something wrong with 90% of the people who like 'traps' or see themselves as one.Very true, a trans friend of mine has been creeped on many times by dudes who just wanted an "experience" or have some fetish fueled interest. These came from dating sites but it would rival the type of harassment women receive there too.
I don't want to dismiss OP as simply giving up on life and wanting to be the girl they long for, but it's starting to look that way… Just another phase? but then again OP says that if a submissive qt showed up at their doorstep they would reject them? Getting a bit confusing there but if you try the crossdressing thing and still feel inadequate, maybe the problem isn't really with gender identity.
No.406
>>386Trannying sucks in my experience.
At best you'll be treated a fetish object in the bedroom a prop in everyday life, an object of pity that "progressive" people use to virtue-signal (e.g. "you're SO brave!!", "my TRANS friend and I…", etc.). Neither makes for intimate emotional contact; you'll be lonely even surrounded by "friends" and "lovers." It's fucking exhausting to be around people who only pretend to care about you so they can get what they want.
And even this shallow love/friendship will only last as long as you're attractive and trannying happens to be trendy. When that no longer holds, you'll be tossed to the curb as they move on to more popular causes or younger, hotter traps.
You need to work through your self-hatred and loneliness - trannying is a soykafty band-aid solution at best.
No.428
>>402>>403>>406Some real talk from transsexual lains out there, not to mention kind of sad but it's sobering to know that this tends to be glorified in media. It's like transitioning somehow gives you access to some magical land of utopia but in the long run, this is obviously not the case. (FYI I am straight, cis and learn about LGBTQ+ things here are there. Mostly thanks to popular media but I get suspicious whenever I see commercial names attached to something)
Also, isn't "tranny" considered a derogatory term? I thought it was just slang or a shortened form.
>>386So OP, how was your adventure in crossdressing? Did it help one way or another? or or… maybe you… went outside and met a cute girl? I am curious to see how you NEETs deal with these things as you literally have no options other than to change yourselves.
No.433
>>406I'm going for a job a the moment, being a tranny I am so fucking worried I'm getting it because of my "Diversity"
It sucks to never know if you are good on your own merits.
No.434
>>428If you have dysphoria transitioning gives you access to peace.
Its hard to put it into words, but once you go on the hormones you settle down and relax, Really relax for the first time in your life.
But if you don't have dysphoria and you are transitioning for social standing its the opposite, you GET dysphoria.
You GET the thing some of us where desperate to get rid of. I only transitioned because it was sending me insane, not because I wanted to change my sex.
As a transgender person you get so used to the background noise of this dysphoria it seems normal, but its never conformable, its always there, always tugging at you, always telling you there is a problem.
Its been really stressful for me seeing people transition when they don't have dysphoria, you warn them of what will happen, and they do it. You see them start to unravel, the same thing that happened to me pretransition is happening to them post. I have started to just let them do it, there's no point fighting it, there's no point trying to help because the narrative out there is so strong.
You watch these people slide into hell and everyone's telling them how brave and strong they are. They are too afraid to go back, it just hurts.
Being transgender is a medical condition that has one known treatment, no one should think that treatment will save them from a disappointing life. If anything it will make things exceptionally worse.
I will be happy to talk to anyone about it, but please don't transition because its cool, please just relax and be yourself. Transition without dysphoria will only bring you pain, and no lain deserves that.
No.435
>>434hearty concurence>>433often I try to look at it more as being that everyone hired for anything is probably hired for a bias reason.
the like, stereotypical white-cis-striaght-dude who could take your job instead could just as well be hired for a bias in favour of people like that. same goes for anyone of other backgroup, really.
thats not very comforting, though….
(good luck with the job, anyway!)
No.442
>>435Thanks :)
I hope I get it, I want to get away of the employer I'm with.
Even if I get hired for my Diversity at least its a job, I'll just be second guessing myself the whole time…
No.443
This thread reminds me of my constant phobia of some kind of mental illness - mental illness in psychoanalytic sense where internal drives in conflict with "culture" that sets standards for what is considered normal produces anxiety that ultimately results in pathology of some kind.
I mean what if I repressed my internal drives to fit in, and this is cause of my depression and anxiety. What if I have gender dysphoria or I am homosexual and I am not aware of it. I remember reading de sade philosophy in bedroom and I got fairly excited on homoerotic scenes, few years later I was having sex with 3 girls and friend of mine was involved too and we had homoerotic moment where I french kissed my friend and occasionally we touched each others penises - still I thought on freuds assumption that everyone is latent homosexual and that it is completely normal, and these sort of perversions seemed totally normal concerning situation. Still when I think of this moments in my life now I have sort of doubts, although I love sex with woman and never thought of penetrating man or being penetrated by them - I have doubts that maybe just maybe I am repressing something.
What was your moment of realization? Is it clear or murky and you have to experience some kind of catharsis to realize that your real gender is female or that your gay? I think I couldn't handle being gay or transsexual cause my local lgbt culture is full of drugs ,mental illnesses, internal gay drama - since they all fuck each other - I find it disgusting ( it is my honest opinion sorry if it is offending to some) .
No.444
>>443>What if I have gender dysphoriaYou'll know if you have it, you don't maybe have it, I knew I was a girl, I knew it in my bones. It permeated everything I did. Its not a if but or maybe, it is I am a girl regardless of what I see in front of me and its killing me.
> couldn't handle being gay or transsexual cause my local lgbt culture is full of drugs ,mental illnesses, internal gay drama - since they all fuck each other - I find it disgustingI'm married, in a monogamous relationship, I don't drink often, I've never done drugs.
Not all of us are flaming, like not all straight people are swingers
No.445
You're making your self miserable. You are a man, be a fucking man. Why do you think pretending to be a woman will make you feel any better?
No.446
>>443well.
as to recount my experiences, I feel in retrospect just, its rather difficult to pinpoint how or what caused the like, revelation that I could transition.
it seems that, like, I was thinking I should get new clothes as a lot of the ones I had were getting ratty, and I was looking online for like, inspiration for outfits and it became apparent that I was really only looking at female fashion stuff.
that lead to several days of mad introspection and reading, after which I tried my best to get on hrt asap.
but now looking back on my life in whole, it feels as though I've always known and had this feeling and awareness, it just, took a while to act on it.
echoing
>>444 I mean, just because you stick 18 people in a room, half of whom are trans, doesnt mean that you're all alike at all. And it doesnt mean that everyone will find a friend. I've been to some small town lgbtqia groups and have generally felt…not very like i fit in at all. that doesnt mean I am not transitioning, that doesnt mean I am not happier with myself, that doesnt mean I dont have friends or an afk social life, it just means that I dont participate in that community.
No.448
>>446435 Here,
To expend on the we aren't all alike, I'm not welcome at a lot of LGBT things, because I have made it clear that I am a Egalitarian and not a Feminist.
In a lot of ways people won't fit into the trans groups. They have strong narratives and I rarely see non-queer people in them any more. In general it seems the regular trans people avoid the groups as they just want to be normal.
There are a lot of damaged people in those groups, its not good for people to base their opinions of trans people off them. They will be getting the completely wrong image of what most of us are like.
Honestly, the "queers" sent me spare, nothing was ever good enough for them and we never focused on them enough. Them and I could not be more different, to be a massive bitch it seemed like quite a few people where there for the attention, not for help.
No.487
>>386I skimmed a lot, but here's my two nuyen:
Yes, it used to bother me quite a bit. I would entertain strange fantasy stories in my mind from time to time. For a while I would've put myself in a dangerous situation just to fulfill one of those fantasies.
But I would never be a true "trap". I'm clearly a man. And I enjoy being a man. I enjoy lifting and training and so on.
You can see this leading to confusion.
What it came down to was finding what made me happy but was still reasonable.
This includes a woman that loves every aspect of me. Which I have now.
Things aren't easy, but life isn't easy.
I'd wager that even if you could easily be a qt trap, you'd find something else to focus on and be sad about.
No.1662
>>386In the Wired, gender doesn't need to exist. Form doesn't exist. Your wired self has no reason to "identify" as anything, you simply are. We are infinite and without shape here in this space beyond spaces.
In meatspace we are very sadly bound by physical form, and that form is bound by social convention and biological/ technological limitations (maybe in the future it will truly be possible for your meat self to reflect whatever gender you are inside beyond the binary). However right now, you are going to get judged if you decide to present yourself as anything people see as strange. Personally I would recommend going for a sort of femme-boy aesthetic, still male but with elements of femininity you could use exercise, clothing, grooming, hairstyle even some hrt to do this. However you're gonna get judged. I don't know what I'm trying to say really, just that I feel your feels.
No.1669
I wonder where this trap situation would be without anime, similar kinds of fiction, and online chats and roleplay groups/communities. My bet is that it would be orders of magnitude less prevalent, only in people born with actual strong defects in hormones.
Most traps or wannabe traps just copy a detached-from-reality behavior they see in detached-from-reality communities where it can exist. It looks like a successful method to achieve the kind of attention they want or need; just like there are recipes for some awesome pancakes. The world seems much more malleable than some time ago, so of the many aspects of their life these people choose to mess around with their looks, clothing, daily habits and ideas about gender. It may look like an arbitrary choice at first, but since it's a hyped up thing already, no wonder more and more people think it's a valid possibility.
Of course, being a trap doesn't pay your bills, but it does take away your time. Plus since the image is so important, more time is wasted on broadcasting the image. This creates an already stressful situation where competing on the market is hard, not to mention the heat from people who think traps are wrong. Those who can will rather scrape by on welfare or leech, letting them stay in their accepting online community longer, and harvest more of the void attention until they break down realizing how empty that is.
No.1672
>>1669There were transgedered people in modern society before all this. Thailand and other eastern societies had kathoey and the like, and even going back to primitive tribes there were people called "two spirits" and other things.
You're severely sheltered if you think imageboards or anime have that much impact on culture.
No.1673
>>1672You failed to interpret the post you're replying to at several points. Why are you even posting?
No.1679
>>1673Because I was responding only to one of the points made, not providing a play-by-play deconstruction of the whole post. I thought that was obvious enough.
No.1853
>>1672> There were transgedered peopleThey were not shoved right in the face of common people and forcefully normalized like now.
I personally don't care for what one does in his own house behind a closed door. But there are no closed doors nowadays. Everyone is connected, every bit of filth is exposed. As much as I dislike this, the technology is just too handy and useful to ditch it.
No.1854
>>1853>They were not shoved right in the face of common people and forcefully normalized like now. apparently being allowed to exist in public is "shoving in the face"
No.1856
>>1854"Allowing to exist" and "using agressively in a widespread propaganda" are just a little bit different things.
No.1857
by focusing on the extremes I fear we're missing the point.
No.1872
>>1853lol no one is forcing anything on you. Trans people are literally maybe 1% of the population, they just congregate in higher numbers in certain internet communities (chans, reddit and tumblr). Don't visit those places if you are so easily triggered.
No.1884
>>1883The agenda pushing the other way is pushing a lot harder. You can relax now.
No.1885
Christ the replies are a soykaf storm. Theres a lot of people pushing soykaf on you instead of actually listening to what you have to say and I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for you and everyone else here that's been going through anything similar. There are a lot of people around who might be able to support you, depending on where you live. At least in the U.S and many other first world countries there should be a possibility of a stable center for LGBT people or those questioning. Even if you're unlucky enough to not live in those areas there's so many places online that are here for you. I, for example, will always be here to listen to you. I'm sorry you're feeling like soykaf.
Also, shout out to the people who actually kept this on topic and gave relevant conversation here. Good to see people evening out the crap.
No.1972
I have a similar problem. I think I will pass fairly easily once I get on hrt, but the thing is that I am 6'2. It is absolutely awful, I am afraid of telling anyone I know I am trans, even to people on the internet cause I am terrified of people laughing at me behind my back thinking "There is no way he can be a woman with that height". I have stopped going outside unless I absolutely have to, I tower over all women and while I meet taller guys on a daily basis, I still feel alien to both men and women and I feel that when I transition, this problem will only get worse - men will write me off as a giraffe, and women will laugh at me behind my back. I really want to kms and I have attempted it a few times, but the hope that these worries may turn out to be mostly false is keeping me going, but the hope gets weaker every day. I have to try very hard not to cry in public places whenever I think of it and I cry because of it (and because of dysphoria as well) at home every day, often several times a day. I would give anything to be at least 2-3 inches shorter, and I mean it. What would passing be good for, if I had no friends and no one would want to date me?
No.1973
What a pussy.
No.1976
>>1972I am laughing behind your back now. There is no way you'll pass as a woman.
How do you feel now?
No.1977
I think its become obvious to many that the social utility of being a "cute girl" far outweighs just about anything else (besides ancestry in rare cases) in the 21st century. I do not physically care about being a boy or a girl but I very much care in the sense of what it can get you.
Yes I would trade my dick in to be a cute girl in a second.
No.1998
>>1977There is no social utility from being a "cute girl". You get extra attention from others, yes, but at what cost? People will harass you wherever you go acting entitled to your time just because you're a "cute girl". People won't take you seriously when you speak, it'll only be about your appearance and how many people want to bang you. Nobody will care about what you've accomplished, because "cute girls" can't do anything unless a man did it for her.
Hell, you're not even safe going outside. People in this world are fucked up and will hurt you just because you look all "cute and vulnerable". You're a performance act for the rest of society.
If I had the choice between being an ugly neckbeard or a cute girl, I'd probably choose neckbeard. Physical form deteriorates in the end anyway, so I'd rather live my life safer being covered in cheeto dust and full of neck stubble.
No.1999
>>1998It's a grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side thing. Someone looks at their life and isn't happy with it and thinks someone (or everyone) must have it easier. I agree with what you said about being a girl but there's some in this world who have never even attempted to see it from that perspective,. They just make up an excuse for their own life sucking (if only I was a pretty girl etc).
No.2004
>>1998There are problems specific to being an attractive person but I don't think it outweighs the benefits at all. There is absolutely social utility to it why wouldn't there be? Being attractive is scientifically proven to make you more likely to succeed. (not guaranteed, but more likely).
It may not be the best "real world class" but its up there. And its not like people can write off your work. Writings speak for themselves, thats true for everyone
No.2005
>>386>and every time i see something posted about a trap i am reminded of how much i hate my physical form and desire to be cute/feminine.I know how you feel.
No.2009
>>386I want a feminine girlfriend, who is- a biological female- because everyone likes things that are cute/feminine. But that doesn't mean I'd like to BE one.
Traps are liars.
No.2010
>>2004An attractive male wouldn't have the same issues as an attractive female. He won't get catcalled and raped and all that jazz that happens when a female is slightly more hot than another.
How is being attractive going to make you more likely to succeed? What are you even trying to do? I guess if you're working somewhere where social interaction or selling your appearance is important maybe, but even then an attractive male can get farther than an attractive female.
I don't think "looking good" would really help in life. It's uses as a social utility are skewed to favor one sex over another and then it fades away as time goes on.
OP should find some therapist and work on accepting their appearance if they're that depressed and are considering suicide because they hate their appearance.
No.2012
>>2011I ask because if you're working at a job where physical looks aren't the main focus it literally isn't the only key to success. I don't think you'd get paid more for doing remote tech jobs just for being hotter than the other client.
No.2015
>>2012>I ask because if you're working at a job where physical looks aren't the main focus it literally isn't the only key to success. I never said it was the only factor. But you questioned how being more attractive would make you more likely to succeed when its one of the most documented phenomena ever. I'm not sure how someone brought up in a western civilization could question how being a cute girl (or boy) would be an advantage when its so abundantly clear. The articles I linked mention multiple studies detailing just how much more money on average attractive people make than unattractive ones, and no it has nothing to do with selling their body for work.
>I don't think you'd get paid more for doing remote tech jobs just for being hotter than the other client.We have studies showing exactly this happens.
"A 2012 paper published by the Middle Tennessee State University found that beauty has a “significant effect” on individuals’ earning potential. The paper examined several labour markets to determine the effect of participants’ perceived beauty on success in those markets. It found that “beauty augments more attractive agents’ wages”, and said that “more attractive agents use beauty to supplement classic production-related characteristics such as effort, intelligence and organizational skills”.
No.2016
>>2012(I'm not the person you were just talking to but…)
Part of this issue may just be personality. Attractive people, are well, attractive. That's a lot more nuanced of a statement than ''looks hot''. Personally I'd wager that a lot of people who are attractive irl come over as somewhat attractive in online communication as well, and generally wherever they are active.
Adjunct to this, I'm not sure if an ugly person thrown into the body of a beautifully attractive one, wouldnt just remain an ugly person. Beauty is to some degree about upkeep, attitude, presentation, posture. Sure part of it is physical beauty defined by birth, genetics, and early life, but part of it you wont get just by bodyswapping. Not to say simple physical attractiveness doesn't mean anything, because it does, but I think it means a lot less by its self.
>>2015uuuh at least one of the pages sited previous indicated ~ 3 - 4 % increase in payment over their peers. I dunno but that sounds like a relatively modest difference really. Maybe these other papers find more. I could see it being a hard thing to concretely measure.
No.2017
>>2016You're right that its not just the physical structure of a person that matters especially later in life but I think you're forgetting just how important attractiveness is for the development of personality. This is culturally dependent but in general children show a preference for more attractive people at extremely young ages.
https://scholar.utc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1085&context=mps No.2019
>>2017>you forget just how important attractiveness is for the development of personalityThen one cannot simply body swap, as it were, and become an attractive person, or not the same sort of attractive person as an always attractive would be
No.2039
>>2017>Study>Twenty three children (..) participated>age between ages seven and elevenNow that's a lot of children. Not sure if a 10 year old is "extremely young" though.
>Each child was paid to participate in this study in the form of a kid's meal from a local hamburger restaurant. Yeah Murica.
Anyway I'm pretty sure I already made fun of the fat/odd dude at that age. I may or may not regret that today but that's how most kids behave. No problem with someone making a study about this but it should be common sense.
No.2040
>>2039https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2566458/Its not like that's the only data on the subject, like I said its incredibly well documented. Here is one focusing on infants that states its been shown within just days of birth. Attractiveness can not be understated in its effects on a person's life. Its arguably the most important thing you're born with.
No.2041
>>2040Are you really justifying your own lack of success on the fact that you weren't born pretty?
No.2043
>>2041What an asinine assumption. I have no qualms about my own physical appearances. Are you perhaps just trying to downplay your own lack of success in an effort to blame yourself instead of things you cant control?
I have done nothing but post well established facts about how appearance affects your life. Trying to ignore or downplay them says a lot more about me than you honestly. Just to be clear, according to all the girls I have been with I am far from "not pretty". Talk about insecurity lol
No.2045
>>2043sounds like something an insecure person would type in response, kinda pathetic
the thread isn't even about being attractive, its about op wanting to kill themselves because they're not a trap
No.2324
I have a heart full of love
I have a beard full of warmth
I want to give you a hug
so you can feel how I feel
but pink pullovers are gay
No.2325
Understandable. Despite what everyone says being a hon sucks. Hard to really give words of encouragment. Kind of a personal discovery thing. Good luck.
No.2326
>>2041You fjcking saved me
No.2331
You will never be female and neither will any of those "traps", it doesn't matter how many hormones you take or what horrendous surgery you perform on yourself, you will never give birth to a child or lactate or receive the same attention that naturally born females do.
They are living a fake and miserable existence, however much they try to cover it up. I fail to see how becoming a trap is a solution to problems, just seems like a very difficult way to amplify your problems ten fold.
Don't envy those people, they belong in mental asylums and will more than likely kill themselves when their vitality wears off or they catch HIV from all the dirty dicks they take
No.2332
>2331
Lol have you not been reading the news? It is super easy to induce lactation too. A gallon a day is easy. Don't be stupid. Though the methods used in the surgery are barbaric at best, which is why one of my stretch goals in my advanced prosthesis work is to make improve the ease to switch between whatever you want to be. Stop being so sour.
No.2333
>>2332Men can lactate but it requires a bunch of hormones, supplements and a certain diet, almost as if men aren't really supposed to be lactating or something…I wonder.
No.2334
>>2333Nice trips but hardly as complicated as you make it sound and even then I don't really care if it is natural or not. I am helping to depreciate all of that.
No.2341
>>392And curiously, almost all those statistics derive from the fact that transgender people are being discriminated and marginalized continually.
This kind of disgraceful baits belong to /pol/, honestly.
No.2344
>>2340Yeah I suppose. I don't care too much. I kind of dig all of the genders around and like pokemon, I do want to collect them all but they can be a pain and hopefully my work will allow people to be whatever gender they want fairly easily. Just have to worry about being brutally murdered by the human purists.
No.2345
>>2341How are they being discriminated and marginalized when they've had the most progress compared to the rest of LGB? LGB progress and asking for rights took several years, in the span of a few years transsexual people depending on the location in the US can use whatever bathroom they please despite the risks for the opposite sexs bathroom, get a sex change with informed consent, voices and language are being erased in fear of "offending" transsexuals.
Then there's the fact the medical industry pushes for trans rights extremely hard, just to make money off of it.
I know it's a Medium article, but this explains it fairly well:
https://archive.fo/pWms8>>2344The gender stuff is all just stereotypes and personality traits when you really think about it. Yap about transhumanism all you want, but I don't see how its going beyond humanity to enable people to be forced into "boxes". But agreed with the other Alice, I think your stuff would fit better in a thread on its own rather than genderfeels hell the thread.
No.2346
>>2345
>in the span of a few years transsexual people depending on the location in the US can use whatever bathroom they please despite the risks for the opposite sexs bathroomThe trans bathroom thing is only an issue in Retardistan (US) and the third world soykafholes willing to replicate every contemporary american media bubble cause they think it gives them some international caché. Since I don't live in the wild, wild west surrounded by barbarians I don't give a damn about trans people soykafting where they want.
Also, you questioning the obvious marginalization of trans people in modern society and listing some tumblerina problems you heard about on The Ben Shapiro Circus Show like the offensive language bullsoykaf makes me think you are completely deluded or totally consumed by the american digital echo chambers.
Look, you cannot identify a gay or a lesbian at first glance, but you clearly could identify a trans person and that makes them easier targets IRL. There are so many of them working in the sex industry and being brutally exposed to violence cause most of them have zero fucking chance on getting normal jobs; and that doesn't happen so frequently to gays/lesbos cause they are not branded like pariahs.
I mean, don't get me wrong, people. I don't give a soykaf about the LGTB community in particular but I can see perfectly that trans people have it worse.
No.2347
>>2346I don't know the trans bathroom issues in other countries, so I can only argue about that aspect from a US viewpoint. I don't know any countries that don't "replicate every contemporary american media bubble" and allow trans people to use whatever bathroom they please.
How is unable to talk about trans issues from a critical point a "tumblrina" issue? You can't even talk about it in real life without everyone breaking their necks and saying the same old "trans identified people are actually the sex they want to be" argument or some other twist on it. They have no actual proof of that statement or similar ones being true, they just go through mental gymnastics to prove their points and it always sounds like word salad and if all else fails they shoot insults until you agree because you don't want to argue further.
You're just further proving my point with the same old insult flinging and no actual reasoning.
Natal women go through the same forced into prostitution and being exposed to brutal violence as trans people like you say, but their issues are buried into the dirt while people glamorize the transsexual movement. Gays and lesbians get threatened and beaten in public if someone even as much as suspects their sexuality, but if you see a trans person in public you're expected to tip toe around them and drown them in compliments to validate them or else you're being a bigot. My whole point is their "progress" is way too fast compared to any other movement about sexuality and sex, they're catered and coddled extremely.
No.2348
>>2347>if you see a trans person in public you're expected to tip toe around them and drown them in compliments to validate them or else you're being a bigotwat
In what soykafhole do you live in? San Francisco? Because no one cares about trans people in the real world, the only sympathy they get is pity.
No.2349
>get tired of hearing about social issues like transphobes and trans people
>come online to see what is happening
>it's more transphobes and trans people
It's so tiresome.
No.2351
You're an egg!
No.2632
This whole thread lol. Makes me feel better that I came to terms of being sapio/ace. Some of you people are way too attached to genders and sexuality. Damn, just live your lives people.
No.2672
>>2632That's about as helpful as a person born blind advising a non-blind person to simply stop looking at something.
No.2680
>>2672Seeing person: my eyes hurt
Blind person: stop looking at the sun
No.2687
>>2680You really missed the point of that, didn't you?
