/cyb/ - cyberpunk and cybersecurity

also we should take their animated fauux theme

Isn't that just a chat room?

>>3883
an anonymous chat room. where did you think you are?

but… why ? it would just end up being used like twitter etc.

>>3885
Exactly. Real time soykaf invariably becomes a hotspot for low effort brewing soykaf and circle jerking. Don't tell me tripfrags and mods won't also use it. Having a real conversation becomes impossible and that's the biggest appeal of smaller boards.

>>3885
>>3886
smallest brain take. Newfags don't understand difference between anonymity and identity posting.

>Having a real conversation becomes impossible and that's the biggest appeal of smaller boards.
You don't have conversations on dead boards, and it's already demonstrated its ability to host intelligent discussion. e.g. some woke posting I screenshotted last night. Realtime functionally feels most equivalent to natural conversation, allowing for extended dialogue in long posts whereas irc lends itself only to very quick one-liner back and forths. Even in the chaos of 5 or 6 different conversations, it's not hard to follow.

The real trouble newfags have is they can't grok true transiency that 4chan an of old had, but transiency goes hand in hand with anonymity, the latter needs the former to fully eliminate the ego in conversation.

>3887
>pretentious, pseduo-intellectual, elist rambling
>Realtime functionally feels most equivalent to natural conversation
Natural conversation is devoid of meaning almost all of the time, at least with people you don't already really know, and even then it depends on the type of people. Real life isn't like a movie. People don't always have intelligent and well-thought out things to say at the drop of a hat. If you pause for a second in real conversation, the other person usually steps in. Topics change and at the end of it all no real conclusion can come about. The point of communication isn't to remove the ego or pretend you're part of some kind of hyper-intelligent hive-mind. Collective ego isn't any better than real time ego. It's about sharing information. In my own experience, this is the best format for that. Threads stay around for a long time, there's no rush, and things are controlled. I don'wa want to follow 5-6 cnversations like I'm at a wedding or something.

Despite however you imagine real time crap will affect people, it wont happen that way. I've seen a very similar feature, where you can see what people type as they type it, on some board called pinkchan or something, and it was fucking awful. You feel even more rushed to try to get out what you want to say. All of it was brewing soykaf anyway. The post i'm writing right now would be impossible to construct in that kind of enviroment. What if I want to go back and add something to a point or I change my mind about something? Images? There's a place for almost everything. Even Zuck style websites have their uses in the form of places like LinkedIn. Thinking this will replace the current way imageboards will work is delusional. Thinking it will revive your rose-tinted view of the past is even more so.

>>3887
>smallest brain take.
In your "woke posting" screencap, there's complaints about people arguing with individuals rather than ideas. You want to criticise people for obsessing over their own ego, yet the first thing you do is insulte people you disagree with.

>>3890
Insulted the take, not the person.

>>3888
Anti-transiency is anti-imageboard. You're not appreciating the ability for complex self-organization.

>The point of communication isn't to remove the ego or pretend you're part of some kind of hyper-intelligent hive-mind. Collective ego isn't any better than real time ego
Disagree. Prediction markets, delphi effect, etc. is effective for a reason. Due to its anonymity, the imageboard is the only marketplace of ideas on the internet - deadboards are only this, being essentially anonymous BBS, but imageboards accelerate it through their transiency, allowing chaotic actors to form complex self-organization, and resulting in a consilient distillation via aforementioned delphi effect.

Your anxieties associated with realtime posting are true but it's not very meaningful, it's just another medium of expression that produces subjective content not qualitatively better or worse than static text posting. It adds some things and loses some things. You can see people thinking. May induce poster's anxiety, yes, but the contributions to noospheric potentiation make the mind reel. The Wired got you scared?

>>3891
>Prediction markets, delphi effect, etc. is effective for a reason. Due to its anonymity, the imageboard is the only marketplace of ideas on the internet - deadboards are only this

These are buisness applications and don't have any practical use in imageboards. To me, imageboards are useful only as entertinament and getting information. It's a tool and anonymity makes it better. Creating a specific communication envioment as an end goal in itself and not for its practical advantages is a waste of time in my opinion. Realtime chat removes the possiblity of going through old threads and makes lurking practically impossible. Unless you're an active participant, there's no point.

It is both less entertaining and less useful in finding specific information. What's entertinaing is subjective, but it seems as if realtime chat emulates conversation while not carying the same things that make human interaction enjoyable. I don't have any reason to care about anyone there as a person, as they are anonymous, so why would I want to spend my time yammering endlessly with them? Maybe some people will enjoy it, but it's no better than irc or discord except circle jerking is harder. If it gets popular enough, it'll just be another distraction, not a holy grail of "chaotic bodies". It wont change the world or revolutionize anything. People will always be people and they cannot change themselves just by how they choose to organize.

>>3892
tl;dr: Until people can directly plug themselves into a computer, whatever you hope will be acheived wont be possible.

>>3892
>These are buisness applications and don't have any practical use in imageboards
The distillation of truth (tested most accurately as predictive accuracy) is practical only in business? Are you sure you mean that?

>Creating a specific communication envioment as an end goal in itself and not for its practical advantages is a waste of time in my opinion
Its practical advantages is in accelerating the free market of ideas. What process do you think is generating your calcified information?

>>3894
In a world that has really been turned upside down, the true is a moment of the false.

>>3894
>The distillation of truth
Is not the goal of imageboard or general communication in my view. This can be useful for lots of things, but not that. Believing that there is always an objective truth is ideology. Some things are subjective and only become the most commonly held belief because of factors outside of objectivity or "truthfullness". A bunch of spastics arguing about who's the best waifu aren't going to accomplish anything. People do not always seek the "truth".
>accelerating the free market of ideas
I don't care. That doesn't increase the quality of ideas. Why would it? Fast boards don't have the highest quality discussion or "ideas". A biased filtration system doesn't work. Unless I can pick through information that's laid out and choose which is the most valuable for myself, that information is not useful to me. Humans are not computers. You can't generate better overall results just by speeding up what they do without effort.

I hate the idea of a realtime imageboard. kc int is already too fast for me. i read only the OPs of a page and when i jump to next page, it's the same page because soykafheads already opened one page worth of "tfw no gf" and "drinking behind the shop" kind of threads. 4chan is in fact useless, unusable. arisu is a little bit too slow, but much better than being too fast. if you want a "realtime imageboard" just join an irc channel where people link images.

>>3897
>if you want a "realtime imageboard" just join an irc channel where people link images.
On irc, what everybody is typing as they type it isn't visible, so you can't psychically jerk each other off with your internet chaos bodies.

>>3896
You're deeply confused. Truth, or accuracy, IS information quality.

>Why would it? Fast boards don't have the highest quality discussion or "ideas". A biased filtration system doesn't work
Yes they do, just as a prediction market produces higher accuracy with more contributors.

>You can't generate better overall results just by speeding up what they do without effort.
Your concept of effort is a misattribution implicitly reliant on ego - the real detriment to quality. You don't seem to understand anonymous imageboards whatsoever. Velocity is essential.

>>3899
Have fun larping as a distributed hyper intelligence with schizoids and teenage fags.

>>3900
Everyone say they love lain, but perform hyperstitional trance rituals in an oscillating embodiment of innocent, evil and wired archetypes and suddenly you're the bad guy

I think this is a wonderful idea. Good luck. The most important step is to act!

I don't really understand what the appeal of this is, could someone explain what good it does for me to see half-formed ideas before the person hits submit?

>>3911
I guess it makes you self-censor your own thoughts.

>>3887
That highlighted post made my afternoon but probably not in the way you intended it to impress anyone. The kid should have mentioned a Naruto headband or something just to complete the image.

The only downside to the existing form of imageboards is I feel like there's usually like 1 or 2 threads worth posting in per day.

I'm cautiously optimistic about realtime, because I feel like dumb threads will die out faster. I just worry a good thread of discussion won't last long.

>>3891
Where is this from?

I saw discord level quality after checking so I'll pass. A decent discussion requires thoughtful posts, which requires time

> Why haven't you gotten 10 friends
i ask myself that every day.

>why haven't you gotten 10 friends and made your own already?
what if i already have?
>>3894
completely unrelated to the thread but that image is very cool.

>>3960
I miss the glasses thread.

>>3962
Wow this really lined up

nah I'll keep posting in my fun XMPP group instead

>>3968
What group :)

devolves into chat with people who know each other, and reddit cancer basically, that's why
you can observe it even on this very board. it's not even an imageboard at that point. just some lame chat for people who are "in", attention-whores.