No.3581
Israel population is expected to double by 2050 to 16 million people and the country will be seriously overcrowded. More than 100 skyscrapers were built in the last 10 years and over 200 others are under construction. The country is the second most militarised country after Singapore. Israel is very highly educated but is faced with extreme inequalities and is one of the most diverse in the world (less than half speak Hebrew as their mother tongue, the country has the highest percentage of its population fluent in three or more languages). It's economy is based on high tech (cybersecurity, biomedical engineering, aerospace engineering, solar power…), military exports, and is controlled by a few megacorps with cyberpunk names like TEVA Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd., ELBIT Systems Ltd., DELEK Group Ltd., ORMAT Technologies Inc., OPKO Health Inc., etc. The culture is very punk: no respect for authority even in the army and workplace, a "no future" attitude… The economy is expected to grow until the GDP per capita is the same as in the United State, but with vastly greater inequalities. The country faces very serious security challenges, including from Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, and Iran. Finally, the general aesthetics is pretty cyberpunk. The pic is an 18-year-old Christian girl, military police officer in the Israel Defense Forces.
No.3585
No.3587
If by "cyberpunk", you mean any region where overpopulation, class and factions struggles, attain an intolerable level while Internet and electronics invade every part of everyday life, every politically unstable or even just unsafe place now is cyberpunk.
North Korea and the Iraqi "Islamic State" organizations openly use hyperreality to measure to the West. In particular, calling your organization "Islamic State" despite it not being not even close to one and clickbaiting "decrees" is a comprehensive behavior of the Internet/clickbait age that did not exist in the previous century.
North Korea's fork of Firefox is some kind of nightmare, like a parasite which took control and tainted what was supposed to be a free browser.
https://www.whitehatsec.com/blog/north-koreas-naenara-web-browser-its-weirder-than-we-thought/Let's not even talk about the Chinese bitcoin miners.
Cyberpunk isn't confined to a place, nor it is the result of slowly crafted preconditions. It's the global default condition of our world, for the very simple reason that we realized not so long ago, the fact that technological level is independent from politics. When social structures get weaker, cyberpunk comes and impermeates our daily lives. It doesn't need to be enforced by Google or the NSA, it can just come with big or small organized crime syndicates.
No.3589
Are war crimes and genocide cyberpunk?
No.3590
>>3589If done with technology, unironically yes. War propaganda videos are made nowadays for the Internet, for well-fed people who treat war as some kind of sports event. Sometimes monetized, which led YouTube to bring the video demonetization process even further.
No.3597
>>3593I close my eyes and see a radioactive crater.
No.3599
>>3597Are you thinking about Iran? Israel has between 80 and 400 nuclear weapons in a nuclear triad with second-strike capability in submarine-launched ballistic missiles so they have basically full -deterrence against them.
No.3600
>>3597>>3599>Iranians want to irradiate the holy soil they want to themselves>therefore israeli nukes are justifiednice try neocon
No.3601
>>3600I am not saying that Israeli nukes are justified, you are putting words in my mouth. I don't think the Israelis need to justify their nukes.
Also:
>Iranians want to irradiate the holy soil they want to themselvesTel Aviv isn't sacred in Islam what the fuck are you talking about?
No.3602
>>3601>I don't think the Israelis need to justify their nukesEven better
>Tel Aviv isn't sacred in Islam what the fuck are you talking about?The holy land stays the holy land, both Iranians and your fellow countrymen have eyes on more than just Jerusalem
No.3603
>>3602>Even betterAre you implying that because I don't care about justifications, I'm a neocon? That's stupid.
>The holy land stays the holy land, both Iranians and your fellow countrymen have eyes on more than just JerusalemThe "Holy Land" is a Jewish/Christian thing, for the Muslims only the temple mount is sacred and it's very far from Tel Aviv. They would happily nuke Tel Aviv if they could.
No.3604
>>3603>The "Holy Land" is a Jewish/Christian thingWhich is why it's mentioned in Muslim scriptures, Islam being pro-Ismael Abrahamism
>for the Muslims only the temple mount is sacred and it's very far from Tel Aviv. They would happily nuke Tel Aviv if they couldActually they do care about getting what they see as their clay back, you don't break what you covet
In comparison, Christians only see the "holy land" as an Apocalypse trigger, which is why they don't dispute it to Jews
No.3605
>>3600>>3599You only specified one city. I actually visualize much of the Earth that way by then.
No.3607
>>3581Israel's kind of a soykafhole, your described corporate control isn't at all prevalent, and you're slightly contradicting yourself. While the "lower class" does exhibit the no future mentality, the middle/higher class youth behaves exactly the opposite. To elaborate on why it's a soykafhole, it's either a bureaucratic nightmare or a total banana republic and both of those mentalities coexist at the same time, everywhere. On top of that, there's nothing cyberpunk about huge government taxes, subsidies, welfare, and conscription.
Also, while the guns look cool, most forces are still not equipped with the TAR21, and instead use the M4A1. Same goes for the tanks, the Merkava 4 is probably the most cyberpunk tank that exists rn, there aren't that many made, and the mark 3 is still most used.
No.3625
>>3607Not OP
Of Course. I'd do the right thing and kill myself if i was israeli, but:
>On top of that, there's nothing cyberpunk about huge government taxes, subsidies, welfare, and conscription. Isn't that exactly 'Low-Life'? The first two are defiently things i would place in a cyberpunk future, part of the mechanisms that cause the grinding poverty that is a defining part of cyberpunk.
No.3626
I don't really want to, but seems like i have no choice and i will have to work for TEVA. It bought major pharmaceutical factories in our country. On the other hand, there isn't really a difference, every pharma company lobbies in the governments for unjust control of pharmaceuticals and unjust profit and markets. (for example, just think of hoffmann la roche's little action involving the us army invading some pacific ocean island over medicine patents, and the european pharma companies deep involvment in illegal immigrant importing). Also, it's pretty easy for Israel to be high-tech when they basically get everything for free. Germany, USA and other countries give them lots of billions of money for absolutely free, manufacturing them submarines and other things for absolutely free, and if they have some kind of conflict, USA and other countries quickly intervene and handle the situation. Also, the "great diversity" is slowly changing into homogenity, "diversity" is only for us goyim, Israel can have a homogenous nation-state (ethnostate if you like). Also it probably wouldn't have security challenges from hezbollah if it hadn't attacked libanon, and from hamas if it hadn't robbed the land of the palestinians, and from syria if it hadn't attacked them multiple times and hadn't made the islamic state as it's proxy-army. Well, sorry, i didn't want to turn this into /pol/, but it just happened.
No.3660
>>3626> Also, it's pretty easy for Israel to be high-tech when they basically get everything for free.The American Military aid is something like 3% of Israel GDP
No.3717
>>3712
please stop talking like a 4chan jerk, even Stormfront is banning racial slurs
No.3718
>>3717I'm really out to lunch on the whole question. No one ever seriously suggested that jews were a problem without being laughed off or shot down until like- the past 5 years.
I think people get bored of life- or terrified- look for the first thing they can identify with- draw lines- and play a game called 'my group vs. your group'.
That being said, I don't really see any reason not to fight for your team- you just have to be super clear on what the teams are.
Take the cyber-pill- realize humanity is basically a program and we are all just subroutines. Why do Jews even matter when there is literally no free agency?
No.3720
>>3718Work with this people a lot, let me provide a perspective
>Take the cyber-pill- realize humanity is basically a program and we are all just subroutines. Why do Jews even matter when there is literally no free agency?This is a nice way of thinking, but its wrong. Even if it is true, when you are working with Isreali's, they view themselves as a group. A group you are not a part of. If you help them, they will help you. If they perceive you as a threat, then they will attack you.
Go to Israel and you will see what I mean. It doesn't matter how long you stay there, you will never be Israeli.
Have another sexy elbit pic.
No.3722
>>3718>No one ever seriously suggested that jews were a problem without being laughed off or shot down until like- the past 5 years.I think this is a reflection of your personal surroundings, not the world at large. Jews have been controversial throughout history. A large part of it comes from middle ages when Christians and Muslims were forbidden from giving interest bearing loans so all the strife and misery caused by debt actually was the fault of Jews. From there it's just a feedback loop, Jews are blamed for bad things, Jews get defensive and subversive, so Jews get blamed for more things and so on.
>>3720>when you are working with Isreali's, they view themselves as a group. A group you are not a part of. If you help them, they will help you. If they perceive you as a threat, then they will attack you.This is the funny thing to me. Jews have a very strong ethnic identity, very successful at protecting their own and fucking up anyone who threatens them and now they have their own authoritarian ethno-state established through sheer force. Honestly they are everything the "gas-the-kikes" losers wish white people could be.
No.3723
>>3722>they are everything the "gas-the-kikes" losers wish white people could be.Honestly, yes this is true. As a gas-the-kikes looser who has been in and out of Israel, this is true. I think you underestimate how the average wn thinks about the Jews. From what I have observed its generally less about global conspiracy and more about the two ethnic groups competing for limited resources and power.
Another aspect of this I find funny is that while the modern WN groups have absolutely no power, most people in jewish politics act as though they do. That the two groups are on equal footing. In many ways I think people in charge of groups like AIPAC use wn as a scapegoat to attack, to rally the troops against a common enemy. This might become a problem in the future. As strategy slowly changes in the wn movement to be more covert and conspiratorial.
>Christians and Muslims were forbidden from giving interest bearing loans so all the strife and misery caused by debt actually was the fault of Jews.Largely untrue. See the Medici, the Rothchilds, ect. Christians have been loaning money for a long time, and in many ways, have been doing it more effectively than Jews. The stereo type of Jewish bankers is actually fairly modern.
Pic unrelated lol.
No.3724
>>3722In Europe there was a reversal where the far-right shifted to Islam as their greatest enemy and started supporting the fascist state of Israel in their genocide of the Palestinians. They did not give up antisemitism, though, but it is a decidedly anti-rational ideology, not making sense is one of their main selling point.
No.3725
>>3723>the Rothchilds are Jews
No.3727
The Darknet Dairies podcast did an episode on Israeli military intelligence recently.
Alice might be interested.
https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/28/ No.3740
>>3718because the jewish subroutine actively sabotages my subroutine
this is why I dislike it
No.3996
>>3724There are no true far-right parties in Europe, the supposed nationalist parties who pretend that Islam is the real problem are all controlled opposition. People like Trump and Bolsenaro all had to touch that wall in Israel after coming into power to signify that they are not a threat to the Jewish elite.
No.4002
>>3996> There are no true far-right parties in Europe¿What about Matteo Salvini and the Northern League in italy?
No.4015
>>3723Arisuchan truly is dead
No.4016
>>4015We've gotten more Nazis and mods don't even care anymore. I gave up on this site long ago
No.4017
>>4016It's not cyberpunk if there aren't opposing ideological extremists fighting in digital close quarters. Stop being a pussy.
No.4019
>>4015>>4016lmfao some people here on arisuchan are the biggest posers i've seen in my entire life. yeah we are the big cyberpunk warriors, omfg mommy the bab guy said the k-word don't allow him to do so.
Let's face the real world, outside the safeplace, where people don't share your government programmed taboo, pathetic NPCs.
No.4020
>>4019>cyberpunk warriorsNobody is pretending to be a "revolutionary" except you and your "collective group of independent thinkers".
>NPCsYou're just as pathetic, anon. Good luck with your internet army.
No.4021
>>4019>>4020You guys are so annoying how about trying to have a real discussion instead name calling, personal attacks and simply trying to "win" the argument.
No.4022
>>4021How can somebody have a discussion with somebody if the other person reads a word and then immediately insist on banning the other person out of the communication channel and makes it look like the other person is defective? Do you really think there ever will be any kind of discussion in this situation?
>>4020very cool story you made up here, but next time try something that has anything to do with what i said.
No.4023
>>4022I agree that deplatforming is thought-terminating bullsoykaf, but it doesn't look like that's happening on this board. So, I guess, engage them as normal while ignoring their plea to ban you?
No.4024
>>4023I'd rather just abandon any interaction with them. I tried this so many times, for so many years, in so many ways, with zero result. Sometimes they are so pathetic that i can't help replying to something, but i regret it instantly that i sacrificed 30 seconds of my life.
No.4025
>>4023The only point they'll ever have is that i'm wrong because nazi. That's it.
No.4026
>>4025That post only demonstrates the length of your attention span and ability to listen.
No.4027
>>4022>very cool story you made up here>The only point they'll ever have is that i'm wrong because naziYou're some kind of neo-nazi or WN or whatever label you like best, right? If you are, you're not an "independent thinker". You're a regurgitator with an inflated sense of importance. Your "group" isn't important. Not online, and definitely not in the real world. I think you should be derezzed not because i'm offended by you saying kike, but because you're boring as hell, obnoxious, and all alike. George Soros this, Rotschild that. Look! Look! Look at this list of jews! Look at this graph! They've been kicked out of more than 600 countries! Wow, do you have something more interesting to say, because this is a discussion board, not a place to circle jerk and try to "redpill" people.
No.4029
>>4027He just wrote that the Rothschild thingie and the Jewish cabal of bankers was a modern myth with no basis in reality. Are you dyslexic or something?
Anyway ethno-nationalism doesn't need to be white to be retarded. And for a so-called closed independent community, Jews spend their time marketing their food, proverbs, krav-maga, jewberpunk and other bullsoykaf to make other nations look at them. They are the equivalent of that edgy boy who secretly only wants other to look at him without him showing any sign of kindness or openness.
And the only reason Israel is faring very well, outside of doomsday Christians funding the soykaf out of it, is because they are surrounded by (real) Arabs, literally one of the soykaftiest nations to ever exist. The moment they feel threatened by Iran, Turkey or any non-Arab MENA state, they directly lose their cool.
No.4032
Stay on subject, Put effort in your post.
I will not warned again.
If the shoes fit, then wear it.
No.4033
>>4032To whom are you speaking, janny?
No.4034
>>4033
>If the shoes fit, then wear it.To everyone i believe that feel concerned.
No.4035
>>4034The problem with these tribal politics is that everyone is fitting shoes on other people's feet. Syndoches everywhere, thought-terminating cliches, and all of a sudden in the mind's eye the outgroup has a common uniformed footwear, and they see it on every pair of feet regardless of appropriate belonging.
Who is your outgroup, janny?
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ No.4036
>>4035I will not take part in this discussion, neither will my opinion. I'm only here to says to who ever feeling that my previous commented is directed to them to stay on subject. Witch hunting and low effort post aren't beneficial to the discussion.
No.4040
This isn't a politics board get the fuck out
No.4045
I've lock the thread, because i believe it's an interesting discussion, but because people could get on with their life and insult we're launching. Both of the said people got 2 days time out.
Please read the rules and respect them.
