/cyb/ - cyberpunk and cybersecurity

It really depends on the sort of society we find this technology in. In an authoritarian, police state type world? I wouldn't touch that soykaf with a 8 foot long pole. If we lived in a more liberated world where we wouldn't have our collective thoughts, feelings and actions tracked? I'd be quite happy to become part machine.

>>265
I agree with this, altough liberated hardware enhancements subverting the police state would be really cyb.
So maybe something homebrew if that comes available in the future, regardless of the situation then.
And with hardware switches to turn everything off in case it's compromised

I don't think it would be much different from my current existence.
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The main concern is that the supply chain of cyborg parts and repair requires the efforts of most of human society until it becomes trivial, which means it would likely be something that governments or any central point of power would control. Meanwhile, growing food is kinda doable alone.

I would also make sure to pay extra attention to pure human experience before merging, because losing one perspective for gaining another feels like I'm doing something dumb.

>>264

Nope. Not in a million years. Staying purely biological is the ultimate cybersecurity defence. If absolute worst came to worst, I've got an air gap.

I might tolerate, if I had serious medical need, some sort of purely external prosthetic that does that electrical-impulse-reading thing. But only if the prosthetic could be removed completely by me in an instant, without requiring surgery.

>>264
I'd do it if the components where open source and I could turn their connectivity off.

Fuck the flesh, its imperfect and prone to failure. I want something truly repairable I don't want to die because the wrong person farted next to me. I want the power over my body tech brings.

>>276
That being said I already use tech to augment my body, this is just the next step. Being part of the tech rather than having i strapped on to me.

No, I wouldn't on all accounts. I look forward to dying as a human.

I can't think of many things that I would want my body to do that it can't already do (or could if I worked out more). The only cybernetic enhancement that I could ever really picture myself wanting is improved eyes - mine are already pretty good, but having an optical zoom function and maybe an increased visual spectrum would be pretty neat.

Unless, that is, we're talking about medical technology. If I had some sort of disease and the best cure was some sort of cybernetic part then I'd go for that no question. There'd be no use worrying about "preserving the self" if that self wasn't going to last.

I wouldn't. I like being human: I think being human is a rare and great opportunity.
I do however want to try making an AI to fill such an android.

>>264
The physical is just as important as the mental aspect of being human. If we extend ourselves beyond what we can achieve with our own bodies, are we unsustainably changing ourselves? On the other hand, when you cut out selection like we have, maybe our next step in change is the controlled force of augmentation. We've already been doing that for a long time anyway.
short answer I probably would.

>>287
>I wouldn't. I like being human: I think being human is a rare and great opportunity.

Nigga you gonna die eventually. Why not be both?

I would go full-cyber if I had certain guarantees granted to me.

1. My code is completely open-source.
2. I can backup all of my files offline and on my property (I'll backup every week).
3. I get a full-spec manual and a repair kit.
4. I can charge myself with a relatively cheap home solar grid.

If even one of these isn't guaranteed, I won't go cyber even a little.

>>322
(not the nigga you replied to)

I very much want to live in a world where this kind of cyberization is possible, but if I lived in it, I wouldn't jump at the opportunity to replace my healthy parts with mechanical ones.

I like the meatbag that I live in, and I try to take good care of it. The body has become part of my personality: it's how I taste, it's how I breathe, it's how I fuck. If you remove the meat and replace it with metal, you remove the taste, breath and hormones too. Even if my brain isn't directly messed with, I would still become less human and thereby less "me". Any sufficiently drastic mental change is similar to death.

Naturally, the above only applies as long as my body is good to me. When I grow old and frail and my body starts abandoning me, I'm down for whatever kind of maintenance/replacement I need to keep going. Fuck that whole "respectful death" and "a life well lived" nonsense, I would much rather keep existing as something not-really-human (and not-really-me) instead of not existing at all.

>>284
Humanity is something beyond meat and bone, it's values, culture and memories these things can't be reduced to biology. Even if ones body dies these will live on.

>>264
Would do it without hesitation, every augmentation brings us further out of sin and closer to God.

I once had a Comp-Sci teacher who walked in terrible pain for years because of bad hips. Then he seemingly went to get them replaced on a whim. On returning, he started off the lecture with "You're all probably wondering why I waited so long to get my hips replaced - I was waiting until the life expectancy of the implants exceeded my own."

That's always stuck with me. Implants fix wetware problems and have the potential to expand our natural abilities beyond anything we can imagine but they wear out and they become obsolete. And they're inside you. It's not like having a car that is old enough to buy it's own beer and when it breaks down you've got to bum a ride to work until you can fix it. No, if your visual implants get stuck in ultraviolet spectrum then you're fairly well screwed until you get it sorted.

I'm using a computer that was manufactured in 2006, eleven years ago for those of us too drunk to be bothered with arithmetic. It's got weird soykaf on it - floppy drives and serial ports, IDE drives and a 32-bit processor (yes, single core)! Do you know how hard it is to find an i386 Linux distro these days? It's pretty much Debian/Ubuntu and Slackware. So in a little over a decade it's a little problematic to even get opensource software support for this machine.

Medical companies are even more ruthless with EOLs. Walk into a clinic with a five year old Avalon implant from Advanced Body Systems (I didn't check to see if this company existed) and pray that ABS still exists and hasn't dropped all support for a newer, more expensive line. And no, they're not about to give out their precious intellectual property to all the "losers who can't afford the upgrade, may we please try to support it ourselves?"

Nope, no sirree. I'm all for augmentation as long as I can rip it off and beat someone with it should the need arise.

>>764
>Medical companies are even more ruthless with EOLs. Walk into a clinic with a five year old Avalon implant from Advanced Body Systems (I didn't check to see if this company existed) and pray that ABS still exists and hasn't dropped all support for a newer, more expensive line. And no, they're not about to give out their precious intellectual property to all the "losers who can't afford the upgrade, may we please try to support it ourselves?"

The problem seems to less the augmentations themselves then a unjust economic system.

>>765
Hey, I can't wait for the cyberpunk future to get here with it's equitable economic system and freedom from want… wait a minute.

I'm actually a big fan of the current economic system for the most part, not so much for the IP laws and even less for tech that would be first generation if it existed. And it is the tech that is the problem. It's gonna be an evolutionary process and I'm just gonna be a hairy monkey hanging out in the trees until the early adopters stop setting themselves on fire and can cook a decent meal.

Given I'm likely going to live an agonising life with slowly diminishing bodily mobility before eventually dying decades before my time, yes. In a heartbeat. Sign me up right now. I don't even care if it's one of those 'become a faceless government cyborg killer' type arrangements.

>>768
You and me both nigga

>>768
>>773

Come on now, I've already exceeded the lifespan of my older siblings and am looking at the average death age for my family in another fifteen years or so.

The Grimster (he hates it when I call him that) and I give each other the up and down look everyday, then I get in my car and ask if he needs a ride somewhere.

And so far he's always said "In that fucking deathtrap?"

So yeah, we all have to face our frailties but are we so anxious to swap out one set of problems for another? I'm just worried that my consciousness wouldn't be able to pay for the processing time and I'd wind up compressed and sharing a highly oversold storage machine with limited bandwidth to the outside.

Very few of my family wind up in nursing homes at least.

theres no point in being anything else than human. all loses meaning if i can reprogram my mind

>>778
What do you think being human means and why is it so important to you.

>>284
>>761
Actually humanity would be the sum of those factors you mention plus the biological ones. To only consider human something that is biological does not mean reducing to biology, but considering that the only things the concept applies directly to are made by this complex.
Removing the biological aspect would create something that can not actually be called human in the sense the word has had so far. Which is not to say it would be un-human, or antithetical to humanity. But a different thing.

>>786
That seems to rest on the premise that humans are inseparable from there biological bodies., that if the body dies so also must the human.

But what if something hypothetically survived the death of the body, some kind of disembodied mind that would lack the body that is supposed important for calling something human, would that mean that this kind of mind would be not human.

If we accepted that, we would also have to deal with the fact that this mind seems to be our reality since it remained when the rest of the person was destroyed then the humanity it used to have was nothing more then a illusion, as essential to it's being as the easily shredded skin is to the snake.

Would you find this uncomfortable if it some how turned out to be true or would you find comfort in the fact of something continuing after death even if it was not human?

>>787
I think humanity is to some degree based on actually having a human body, defenitions vary of course bur it seems to me to be reasonable that a human should be defined more or less as a homo sapiens - thing. And as such without a body a human now longer reallt can meet the definiton so stated.

That said, I dont have a great deal of unease with the fundamental idea of ceasing to be human.

Alas though the idea of connecting the defenition to a body is difficult to really apply. If I get a prosthetic leg, surely I am human, a prosthetic heart, lungs, other limbs, eyes, et cetera. Still human body, just with other bits.

But what if all that remains is a brain in a case? what if all that remains is the computerized version of that brain? It still has its origin in a human body, but its unclear what the line becomes.

>>791
>But what if all that remains is a brain in a case? what if all that remains is the computerized version of that brain? It still has its origin in a human body, but its unclear what the line becomes.

What if the mind was not something that came to exist in our brain's , but has existed as long as the physical universe has existed since the big bang and maybe even before that.

Maybe the bodies we have are just ones that are suitable vessels for the mind to embody itself in the physical world and all knowledge is simply remembering things we forgot when we entered into our human bodies.

>>787
I know what I'm talking about sounds like empirical materialism, that I'm denying importance to anything non-biological on humans. But that's not the case at all.
It's more about parts and the whole. No matter how important a part is, it's not the whole. This rationale is not about choosing parts. I wouldn't call a corpse human, even though the biological factors are mostly there. Because it lacks the psychic entity you're referring to. But for the same reasons, I would not call just that separate entity human. Together, they make a human. Separate, they may be human features, but they're not a human thing.

You don't call a motor a car, even though cars in this sense would suppose the presence of a motor.

> Would you find this uncomfortable if it some how turned out to be true or would you find comfort in the fact of something continuing after death even if it was not human?
Personally? I don't really care. I am what I am now, and my desires and aspirations can only apply to this 'I'. If I were something else, I'd simply want something else.

>>793
What you're describing is the theory of the logos. The ultimate reality is an idea, and the mind (psyche) is a manifestation of that idea. I whole-heatedly agree with this concept, but still, human means mind+body. This is actually the true doctrine of Christianity, when it's not usurped to make people not put their diddly in strange places. The concept of Christ was created to keep us, humans, in balance between the idea and the body, that our uttermost ideal, Christ, was absolutely flesh and absolutely logos (idea), and we should aspire 'to make these two lovers marry' in our existence, because their union is what make us what we are.

>>264
If I could actually move my consciousness to a 100% synthetic cyber brain I would but even if you take all the neural pathways is more like a copy of you with all your memories and stuff, you still die

However I would have no problem moving my brain into a cyber body, being a meatbag sucks

>>768
>>773
>>774

What health issues do you chummers have?

>>799

774 here, I am fit as a fiddle. Run 5k three times a week and have a bodyweight fitness routine. I don't smoke unless I light myself on fire (again), my BMI is normal, resting heart rate is 60 and my labs are all in normal range.

We (meaning my relatives) generally just keel over with a stopped ticker one day. Once in a while we lose a match with nature or machine. And the idea doesn't really bother me as much as it seems to bother other people.

So I'm not interested in augmentation as a means to escape my mortality, I'd like to improve my experience while I'm here. Preferably without getting locked into some subscription model.

>>799
773 Here,

Basically I breathed in so much bad soykaf in my life my lungs are completely fucked.

If it burns its been in my lungs, burnt, not as a drug thing, but from work.

I cant go into my work but yeah, rather unpleasant stuff. My physical and mental health is now on a down wood spiral into complete collapse.

My employer chewed me up and spat me on the street, fuck yeah….

>>799
Cripple number 768 reporting in;

Wrecked knees and wrecked ankles - neither of which can be easily operated on for various reasons, and now just to add insult to injury there's what the doctor is pretty sure is now the early stages of rheumatoid arthritis which seems to be largely attacking my already torn up joints. In the space of around three years I've gone from the occasional day of mild discomfort to waking up every morning and barely being able to stand.

So yeah, suffice to say I'm super keen for cybernetic replacements for the defective meat-ship I'm currently sailing in.

Baby steps mates. Cyberpunk is now.
https://www.emotiv.com/epoc/

I would replace my eyes, since I wear glasses. Something with zoom and night vision would be cool. X-Ray, thermal and other color spectrums like ultraviolet would be a plus.
Replacing every muscle fiber, or at least the main ones for more strengh would be nice, along with a reinforced skin, like a passive exoskeleton that only activates when I want and in emergency situations.

>>264
Hell yeah I want to be a cyborg ninja. Even if it meant having to kill for evil quasi-governmental mega-corporations. Who wouldn't?

>>1383

I've been hearing about the EPOC for a few years now. How well does it actually work?