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 No.1712

In the past we have seen governments blocking WhatsApp, DNS, or even IPFS like in Spain just recently. Now, imagine there are protests in your country right now and your brilliant leader decides to go full retard. Do you have a plan in case things go down? One you can reach without working internet? You cannot google things if google is unreachable. We should think about this before it happens.

So I'm asking:
Is there some kind of list I can save offline with common alternatives? Like DNS Servers, distributed Messengers (iirc they used FireChat in Turkey) etc. in case things go down? I'd like to be prepated even if it is just for Arisuchan and YouPorn.

If this does not exist I propose we make our own and include it in the next zine.

 No.1713

Alright, I'm no specialist, but i know that during the Arabic spring (or what ever it was called) There was the same problem you were talking about. If i remember correctly i think the government shutdown the internet completely or censure it so much it was barely usable. So i remember that internet send them way to connect internet back on. It was send as a info graphical chart but i don't seem to be able to find it if you look it to that you might be able to find the tool it was use during that period of time.

But the threat model here is a lot more different then what is happening is Spain. The government know that encryption and the internet itself is a great way to fight against dictatorship, which mean that if i take for example your scenario it would mean that we need to find technique that these government never fight against before pretty difficult.. Not only that but they have money and time and we don't which make it two time more difficult.

To answer your question i do have a way to "connect" myself. I save stuff on my hardware which mean even without internet i have access to most of my thing. I also have a lot of reading about how to communicate with people without internet using some sort of encryption. So some basic advice here is don't be dependent of the internet.

 No.1714

Satellite internet. The only way to connect to outside world in case of blackout. Direct radio/laser links like Ronja if you live near border and there are people on the other side to help you.
IRC, Tox, XMPP, Bluejacking, Briar (as open source alternative to FireChat) for local networking.
Look for Occupy Wall Sreet documentaries, these guys managed to set up access point with 4G or Satellite uplink right in the middle of a park.
Floppynet and QR codes if traditional computer networking becomes a felony.
As for content, I'd advise you to archive anything valuable, even your degenerate porn movies.

 No.1715

If things get that bad you're probably going to see either a full internet shutdown or whitelisting rather than blacklisting of services. Right now they're just blacklisting services as they find them but if they wanted true control they would just block everything not on a whitelist. The other possibility is something like what china is pushing for where it's only possible to connect to things hosted in china. These kinds of problems are not going to be solved by just having more tricks up your sleeve when they decide to block the mainstream communication protocols.

The best way to solve something like this is to establish a sharing network before anything happens. It's not something I think a single alice could deal with excluding satellite internet which is crazy expensive.

 No.1722

>>1712
Honestly if the government turned on me I'd probably join up with my state militia. I'm no prepper, and my family would be far safer with them than if we tried to go it alone.

If you're just talking about a lack of internet, though wouldn't everyone have cellphones anyway?

 No.1734

>>1722
>If you're just talking about a lack of bread, though wouldn't everyone have cakes anyway?

 No.1735

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>>1712
Ad hoc mesh networks are a thing. Putting one together or getting involved with one that's local to you would reduce your vulnerability to being completely cut off.
Here's an example from node:
https://n-o-d-e.net/book.html

You can also download Wikipedia in various resolutions. Link related:
http://xowa.org/home/wiki/App/Import/English_Wikipedia.html

>>1713
Establishing broad connectivity during the Arab Spring was actually very involved, nothing so simple as a call-tech-support workaround. Guardian article, related:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/jul/07/telecomix-arab-spring

 No.1737

>>1735
>ad hoc meshnets

setting one up before hand is probably nice, but simply having the software and documentation on hand to build one if things turn bad, is not at all difficult. my neighborhood does (sadly) not have a meshnet running at present, but it could have one within a few days of a blackout just with the resources I have in my house, and some extra routers.

I need to read more of the Arab Spring things, a fascinating topic about which I know too little.

One thing I have also been considering (in light of several recent large disasters) would be the possiblity of setting up a meshnet within a recovering disaster area (Puerto Rico of right now, as an example). If the phone and ISP nets are damaged to a high level, that might be about the best chance one could have to establish a meshnet on a large scale with the participation of nongeeks.

>>1715
I may misinterpret your term: sharing network.

in the case that I dont, I would posit that there is a great amount of data being shared, and collected, in many many nodes the world over. I on my own disks have more than a few websites, a fair ebook library, quite a large amount of software inclusive of sourcecode, news archives, among other things.

Presently this is not available to the wider world, I havent the interest, the bandwidth, or the need to make it accessible outside of my network. If suddenly my country were to impose strong restrictions on the internet, there would be motive for me to make that which I have collected useful to other people, and whether its by a sneakernet, hidden service, local meshnet, or other scheme, I would do what is in my power to share that which has been shared with me.

I would do so, and I am sure there are many other people in the world with similar mindsets. These archives are not visible today, but in the event of a disaster, they will doubtlessly emerge.

 No.1738

Invest in a shortwave radio. It takes absolutely no skill at all to fuss around with the dial until you can pick up a foreign broadcast of some sort, should the state ever move to curtail access to information. It is true that shortwave, like any other terrestrial radio signal, can be jammed, but prolonged radio jamming requires a large number of very powerful transmitters to constantly be in operation, and deploying all of that infrastructure can't be done at the drop of a hat like forcing ISPs to go offline. Most of what I pick up is just southern religious stations, but I can easily tune into broadcasts from China, Cuba, Canada, and a couple Latin American countries that I've never heard give station identification in English but have pretty chill music sometimes. If the USA ever were to crackdown in a big way, you can bet that the Chinese and Cubans would be more than delighted to tell American citizens all about the situation, in the same way that Russia has always liked to distract from it's own faults by indignantly pointing out US hypocrisies and infringements of civil liberties. And if there ever should be a protracted emergency, I'm sure some sort of pirate radio would start to appear.

 No.3025

>>1712
IPFS can be blocked? Nah, they didn't.

 No.3030

If you're so paranoid about the internet why don't you go outside and live?

 No.3031

>>1714
>with 4G or Satellite
one of those would be much more impressive than the other.



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