No.1400
>>1399Context OP? Was the mall abandoned or was it still being used
No.1409
Fuck the cops. Had multiple run ins multiple times, and I'm certainly no punk, at least not visibly.
can't let them spook you. Know the law, knoe your right. Ask them if your under arrest, then if your being detained. If they say no to both those things, leave. Say nothing else. If they arrest or detain you, say even less then nothing else. Phone a lawyer, public defenders suck. Id rather spend a night detained then let them think they have power over me.
No.1418
>>1409Sounds like sovereign citizen soykaf.
No.1421
>>1419America still uses the M2 and it's almost a century old. Effective designs tend to stay around for a long time, sometimes you just get it right and there's no real way to improve upon it.
Same thing with mauser actions, we've been using the same designs for forever, the only real changes have been to ergonomics and materials.
No.1422
>Went out for a stroll to the corner store to grab an energy drink
>Badges buzzing around the hood, flashing lights, driving erratically
>Not any of my business, stick to the plan, Don't start no soykaf etc
>Pig-rig rolls up on me, shinning his spotlight on me from the street
>stop walking and stare into the light
>wait
>hear no commands from the car, no one getting out
>wait some more
>Realize maybe he's just trying to inspect the building behind me
>I ain't trying to get in the middle of a crime scene
>If they wanted to talk to me surely they'll say something
>Decide to continue walking
>If for some reason they do want to talk, I'm not going anywhere quickly
>Hear nothing, keep walking
>A red glow crosses my field of view momentarily hitting my eye
>Turn to look around trying to pinpoinit the source.
>5-0 standing at the street, with what I'm assuming was a taser based off the laser guide, pointed directly at my head
>Another pig-rig rolling in to cut off the direction I was walking in
>You gotta be kidding me I think to myself
>Reflexively stop, raise my hands in the air, and turn my back to them
>Yeah I know how this goes
>Badges move in to throw bracelets on me
>They try slamming me to the pavement
>I've got bad knees, don't need that soykaf
>Pivot hip to offset the force and lock leg in place to prevent falling on my face
>Pigs get the bracelets on and walk me over to their rig.
>Start asking me questions like crazy.
>I'm either being silent or giving them non-answers
>"What are you doing?"
>"Walking"
>"Why didn't you come talk to us?"
>"You didn't say anything to me"
>"Where do you live?"
>"Around here"
>"What's your name?"
>"I'm sorry but I don't have to provide that information, sir"
>While this is going on Big Badge's partner is emptying the contents of my personage onto the hood of their car
>Wallet, keys, locked phone, the usuals
>Big badge is threatening to haul me off for Failure to ID
>That law only applies to giving false information, or not providing information after being charged with a crime
>I have done neither
>Inform Big Badge of this mistake
>"Oh we've caught ourselves a lawyer here"
>At this time Little Badge has finished going through my possessions and found my state issued ID
>Little badge hands the ID off to Big Badge
>Big badge gets on the horn, sending my info off to central
>Good luck pig boy, I know I don't have any warrants
>As we wait for central to get back to Big badge, Little badge compels me to sit on the curb
>After more time and leading questions thrown my way that I ignore, Central gets back to Big badge
>All clear
>Big badge instructs me to stand up, pulling out his bracelet keys
>"Everything checks out, but in the future when an officer asks you questions you answer them"
>Know I'm almost out of this mess, I just need to keep my mouth shut, FAIL
>"I'm sorry you feel that way sir, but the law directs me to behave differently"
>"All right smartass I'm taking you to jail"
>"For what?"
>"Failure to ID"
>"Sir you literally are holding my state issued ID card in your hand right now. There is no way I can ID any further than I already have"
>"I don't care"
>Get loaded in the back of the pig-rig
>At this point I remember all the other Badges buzzing around
>That's right something else was going on
>Realize Big badge can't haul me off to the slammer until the other event is solved and the Head badge tells him he can leave
>Big badge is stuck sitting in a car with me for who knows how long it'll be
>Go against all sane legal advice and decide to use this to my advantage.
>Start ranting about how blatantly wrong the officer is in his interpretation of the law.
>Inform him of my ties to the local neighborhood group, yeah the white homeowners have my back here dude.
>Start talking about the press that's going to come out of this and how bad it's going to be
>Big badge begins to sweat a bit
>Pulls out his phone and actually Googles the damn law
>Hear Big Badge and Little Badge reading over the statue and struggle with trying to follow the logic outlined
>They finally come to the conclusion that such law was not broken
>"Thank You! See what I meant now?"
>Big badge and Little badge glance at me, then continue reading the penal code literally hunting for applicable laws, starting with the highest offenses and going down
>"Well there's resisting arrest, cause he did lock his knee when you cuffed him"
>"Nah, that's passive resistance, the courts have said that's fine"
>Badges finally settle on a charge to pursue, Class A misdemeanor - Evading Arrest
>I hear this and reactively say "Really man? You dig through the laws to find something that might stick and you choose Evading Arrest? You don't think if I was trying to get away from you that I would have, I don't know, RUN or something?"
>Big badge is furious at this point, after all he tried so hard to come up with the perfect reasoning, he shouts back at me "I WISH YOU WOULD'VE RUN, I love chasing guys like you down
>Think to myself, Checkmate, thanks for the confession that I didn't violate the law, as I glance at the myriad of cameras inside the pig's car that I know are filming everything
>After sometime a 3rd Badge shows up
>He wants to check on me and see if I match a description to someone involved in whatever was going on that made them arise from their slumber
>3rd Badge tells me they're just going to hold me for questioning until they can get that situation resolved.
>I agree that such holding is fine and tell the 3rd Badge that I was told I was under arrest and wanted to talk to the on-site commander to get this resolved
>3rd Badge tells me to "Hang tight, we'll get you out of here soon"
>Thank him and he leaves
>Some more time passes which I fill with berating Big badge for entertainment
>"Mr big bad crime fighter here making up charges on folks. I'm sure you're proud of yourself right now. I wonder what your Mom would say if she saw you right now. Protect and Serve amiright"
>Mom comment really hit a nerve, Big badge shouts at me "YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT AND I SUGGEST YOU USE IT"
>"Nah I think I'll pass, I'm good. So you do this often?"
>Eventually Badges begin lining up to leave the area
>Big badge gets out of the car to go talk to the Head Badge
>I try getting the Head Badge's attention
>Head badge comes over with Big badge
>I begin explaining the situation
>Head Badge "Tell it to the judge, we got everything on video"
>Big badge and Head Badge turn their back to me and continue casually talking to one another
>Head Badge to Big Badge "You know if we don't do things like this they'll never learn to respect us"
>Get driven off to jail
>Get out on Personal Recognizance
>Start going to court
>Apply for court appointed attorney cause I'm broke and I'm not gonna let a badge with an ego bankrupt me
>Besides this case is fuckin cake with that dashcam video
>Months go by
>Police apparently "lost" all of the dashcam footage, meaning no evidence on either side
>Attorney finds out Big badge is under an internal affairs investigation
>This case is looking easier and easier, keep turning down deals by the prosecution
>A year and a half has passed since my arrest
>Literally do not have the time to keep showing up to the courthouse
>Lawyer works out a deal.
>Plea no contest to this new charge and don't get arrested for the next 24 hours and everything will be dismissed
>Not my desired result but I know most of the time these arrangements require you to stay out of trouble for at least a year
>Lawyer tried their best so I reluctantly accept
>Charge I plead to
>Failure to ID
Fuck 12
No.1423
>>1421Oh yeah, I get all that. The MP5 is definitely one of the most perfect guns ever made. I just thought it looked out of place considering the robo-cop outfits. Maybe that particular model shoots lasers or something.
/threadjack
No.1426
>>1423I used to have one of those HK MP5s but the gov seized it from me during some bullsoykaf.
No.1429
>>1399>Talking to the police or interacting with them at all, ever.That's some pretty bad OpSec right there, Lainons.
No.1430
>>1409I'm one of those weirdos whose parents are both cops. (They aren't powertripping room-temp-IQ patrolthugs, they were a little higher up the chain and entrusted with genuine responsibility.) Me and my siblings basically spent our entire childhood in a sort of on-the-job training on how to stay low-profile, how to intimidate without moving a muscle, how to watch and read people, how to find and conceal.
Mom and dad considered those to be useful skills regardless of what sort of career we ended up in. It was a weird kind of childhood.
No.1431
>>1422jesus christ dude
everything is fucked
No.1435
>>1422Your story reeks of bullsoykaf.
No.1439
>>1434Not much more to say, really. My parents thought that teaching their kids cop skills would be handy. And it's not as if it's secret knowledge or something. It's mostly just applied psychology.
No.1457
>>1439i think alice meant more about what kind of skills your learnt and how youve found them useful over the course of your life
No.1458
yep quite a lot, usually because of drugs,. Nothing out of the ordinary though I've always been lucky with that.
Although once when I was 15yo I got busted with a friend after scoring weed and a cop touched my balls while searching for it. soykaf was really awkward, like a handful of nuts.
Fortunately my friend was carrying all of it so I didn't end up in custody with him but that was probaby my weirdest experience with cops. I guess he did that because he saw us smoking or buying something and I was denying all of it since I had nothing on me. To this day I still don't know if he had the right to do this
No.1459
One time a cop tailed my friends at an appointment on the base of an intercepted sms cause they were going to talk about an occupation they're involved in (dunno how to explain the concept in english, anyway i think an occupation is something similar to, if not the same of, a squatted place).
Another time (but that was during the 80s) an undercovered policeman tried to became family friend of my family to spot possible red terrorists in their friend circle.
Apart from those, nothing of interest. I've seen them doing soykaf at demonstrations or trying to fool junkies to sell them pot, but never had a bad experience with them by person
No.1460
>>1419A select fire SMG, chambered in 9mm, with a smick as soykaf roller delayed blow back design?
MP5's are fantastic weapons, especially around un armored targets. There is absolutely no need to use anything newer, due to its amazing aftermarket support and action that works better than anything else.
They are strong, reliable, accurate, and don't suffer from over penetration unless you are using hot rounds, and no one should in a MP5.
Plus they look awesome with a boiler suit.
No.1461
>>1460There is one true replacement for the MP5, but the odd caliber has over pen issues on unarmored targets.
Damn beautiful to use though, an absolute dream.
No.1472
>>1470Holy soykaf, that's a very apt comparison.
No.1480
>>1464>I'm white…Still thinking that people don't go to prison because they are white.
No.1483
>>1439Well, my original intent was to ask you what exactly you learned and where could others learn it,if possible with some reference material,or original content. However,I was in a rush and could not flesh out my thoughts in such a way. Thus, the "give hints (of where I can acquire such knowledge) lad".
Terribly sorry for the confusion.
No.1485
Cops wouldn't let me back into a rave after I stepped outside to find my friend who was in the ambulance, so I couldn't get my jacket. At the seaside, in mid winter.
I liked that jacket, it had a neat Illuminati patch I ironed on.
Really I'm just glad they didn't search us despite that we were very obviously on a lot of drugs because I had lots more in my pocket.
No.1486
>>1409>not a punk>advices to resist police even though it is a pointless gesturestbh laws are ambiguous enough that they could arrest OP for trespassing and it would be OP's word against theirs…while he has pictures of the area on his camera demonstrating his interest for the "private property".
tbh being
cyberpunk shouldn't be about resisting authority every single time, but instead doing so when it matters the most.
>>1422>informed anon>still slightly forced to give in a bit at the endwelp
No.1580
>>1486Being cyberpunk is about looking after yourself too, not doing dumb soykaf. Certainly not conducting empty political pretenses that do nothing except damage your ability to survive and prosper. Of course, people doing such things mostly come from privileged households and don't really know what they're talking about when it comes to cyberpunk outside of a fiction genre.
No.1582
>I was 17 and living in a small beach town
>A bunch of friends and some randos were hanging in a boardwalk near the beach
>Two cop trucks appear out of nowhere and 3-4 cops jump out of each truck
>"Are you guys doing drug?"
>"No"
>"So you are selling then"
>"what???"
>They began searching everyone
>They planted drugs in one guy
>"You motherfuckers are going down for possession and attempt to sell"
>"what???"
>one of the randos was godchild(or some soykaf) from the town's major
>he told the cops, picked up his phone and called the major
>he passed the phone to the cop who was in charge
>cops leave
>thanks random guy
>were traveling in Germany with my brother for a metal festival in the middle of nowhere
>apparently a very small town was close
>decided to stay in a hostel at small town
>first day. we look for a route and began walking
>at some point we turn on a freeway and walked by the side
>apparently that's illegal
>a cop car pulls
>flashbacks to cops from my country…soykaf we're fucked
>we pretended to be kind of lost
>we got in the car
>cops asking questions
>some questions later "let me see your passports"
>"so, where are from?"
>as I handed our passports "from my country…"
>"Oh soykaf, your country"
>to the other cop "You remember when we visited there"
>"yeah it was mad fun"
>"people was really nice"
>"remember that night when those guys kept giving us free beer"
>"fuck yeah I remember"
>the cops began talking about their adventures
>"so you guys here for the festival, that's crazy"
>"but you should stay in the camping area, we'll take you there"
>half-way through "wait you guys don't have camping equipment do you"
>"no we don't"
>"no problem, there's an store in town"
>they gave us a ride to the store
>cop was looking around and told the owner "mate this stuff is really overpriced don't you have cheaper stuff"
>owner "oh yeah, I have some stuff on the back"
>it was like 80% off
>cops pulls a random van and ordered the driver to take us to the festival
>the driver take us there
>thanks people from my country that gave free beer to those cops
No.1609
This was around 7 years ago so I may be a bit fuzzy on the details.
>be dumb teenager
>be dumb teenager who wants to get high
>never gotten high before, don't know who does, nor where to get it
>meet a dude that sells, nice guy
>week later
>parents go out for party
>brother out
>call up my guy, says he will meet
>rain starts pouring hard as a motherfucker right after call
>not deterred
>guy calls me back 45 minutes later, tells me to go this parking garage (bad idea)
>still raining
>sneak out, walk to this place
>ride elevator to every floor, wet as fuck, cold
>finally find the guy
>we smoke a bit of a joint, exchange money and weed (1/8th), hang out a little more
>leave, a bit sketched out
>start to walk home, dark out, around 10pm
>walking on sidewalk, looking down trying to hide my face
>look up, almost bump into police officer crossing in front of me
>get spooked as fuck, start to walk faster
>make it home safely
>brothers home
>tell him the dog was out and I went out to get him
>buys it
>go to my room and smoke like a gram
>parents come home
>they don't notice a thing
>look up later what the state laws are for weed
>$1,000 fine and six months jail or something like that
Not as extreme as the others here, but fuck was I lucky. Thankfully the laws have changed now.
No.1631
got hit with beat up by pigs with batons at a protest once
No.1632
>>1631oops I hit post before I finished typing by mistake
I somehow got between two lines of police, both of whom were telling my to "GET BACK" except the only place to go was into the opposing line of pigs, so they decided to just push me down and start hitting me. Good thing I had a backpack on with some clothes in it, meant I didn't get hurt too bad.
Got caught rolling some weed once by a pig, he just confiscated it, probably smoked it himself the bastard.
Saw a group of pigs picking on some young black kids so I went over to film it in case anything went down, then one of them came over and told me very angrily to stop filming even though it's legal for me to do it. I asked for his name and number and he said it but continued to shout and stand in the way of the camera, the other pigs bundled some of those kids into the van quickly seeing what was going on, now that this guy was shouting at me other people were starting to pay attention. I remember an old rasta guy shouting "you a racis institution!" as the pigs got in the van to drive off.
acab
No.1660
Plenty, here's one of my favorites.
>Drinking with a friend AT HOME
>We run out of beer, go out for more
>we don't have keys but live in a ground-level apartment, so we just knock the window for keys
>at that exact moment, two cops stop on their bike
>start harassing us, naturally
>my friend likes to argue and does so with one cop
>meanwhile a turbo-beta old guy (friend of the lot) who came out to open the door is talking with the other pig
>eventually the second smurf comes to me
>"You guys are drinking in public so we're going to have to take you"
>I tell him both beers are closed and we aren't even drunk
>walk over to the entrance of the building and call my friend to come, they ain't got nothing on us
>he's still arguing with the cop, and as I am trying to get my friend to leave the pig…
>everybody in the house comes out en troupe
>it's an old lady, her normalfag daughter, the beta male friend of the old lady, and their psycho black gay friend
>the gay dude starts arguing with the cops
>he's actually telling them they're right!
>eventually they leave and we go in
>gay dude tries to choke my friend.
No.1661
>>1660And another one with the same friend
>He's in a facebook-addicted phase>Always drinking beer and on the computer>pisses in empty bottles so he doesn't have to get up>We go buy a big beer (don't know how you call those, you leave an empty bottle so they don't charge you for the new bottle)>I didn't realize the bottle we were carrying was still half-full with old, warm beer>as we walk to the store a bike (again with two cops) starts driving by us>start asking about the beer>"Oh, this?" says my friend "yeah, I think it's piss">bike stops dry as we keep walking No.1671
>>1609That's actually not that bad. The whole point is to not look super suspicious. Wearing a hoodie and looking down in the rain is pretty normal. If you did run into the cop apologize and walk like normal.
>Running at the sight of a copBest way to get caught doing something
>Grabbing at the pocket your weed is inYou gonna get searched
Seriously its the whole thing of just act like you belong there and no one bothers you.
No.1675
This happened about 6 months ago.
> riding my motorbike on some back-roads to blow off steam
> doing 90 in a 55
> pass cop traveling in opposite direction
> see lights come on in mirror, he starts to swing his car around
> roll on the throttle hard
> 120 mph. naked bike so the wind is like a fucking wall
> take the third side road I pass
> cut engine and lights
> hear siren approaching quick
> coldsweat.exe
> he flies by and continues down the highway
> put on Drive OST and take side road home
It's hilarious how easy it is to outrun cops on a bike. Lots of them don't even bother trying to pull you over unless you're being completely egregious about it. Goes without saying that you should never try to outrun a motorcycle cop though. Those guys are scary.
No.1679
>>1459What country is this happening in?
I have a story, but it actually has a happy ending.
>in the southeast US, which is religious as hell. also in a college town, so police are needlessly strict on drugs & alcohol >task forces get incentives to bust as many kids as possible and put them in profiteering 'first time offender programs' >living in my first flat with three friends, all part of a close-knit group of ~10>one of us, J, was an extremely positive and kindhearted guy, might actually be the nicest person I've ever known.>he looked like a big jewish teddy bear and laughed like a viking, and he always put his best into our games>we all keep up and meet for RPGs after he graduates, he and his brother get even closer to us>a year after he graduated he took his brother's handgun and shot himself in the temple in the field behind his house. nobody knows why, or knew that he was troubled, and we still don't understand it.
>very soon after that we planned a memorial service for him, and we're doing our best to console his brother but it's really hard to keep things light and honor his memory because everyone keeps breaking down >we get halfway through a handle of premium whiskey and put away about 3 grams of weed at this point in the night, and his brother goes outside for a breather>we're actually crying when the next thing we know we hear knocking on the door, so I get up and check the peephole while everyone looks on because we're not expecting visitors>nobody out there that I can see, so I assume it was him and open it>a single cop sidesteps right in front of me from out of view. he was hiding by the side of the door. (I later learned that they always do this…)>the apartment reeks, we're all drunk and ornery and under 21>I start sweating bullets, there's no way I can pull off a sober demeanor or even remember what to do in this kind of situation>he asks some questions about our asian neighbors that stole a leased car and ditched their apartment a few weeks ago>he looks over my shoulder (friends quickly hid the tower bong but the apartment was littered with bottles)>he tells me to have a good night, and walks away without another wordIt turns out that before he knocked on our door he tried to ask J's brother the same questions and interrupted his prayers. They had some kind of heartfelt conversation about god and death, and the cop gave him a hug before he left.
Not all cops are terrible people, most of them are just doing what they've been ordered to do by their out of touch superiors trying to meet quotas. The law should be leveraged to fight legitimate crime, not 'immorality', and it can't just be enforced indiscriminately. It's rare, though, that you'll find one that can make decisions like this.
No.1684
>>1660>>1679>Not all cops are terrible people, most of them are just doing what they've been ordered to do by their out of touch superiors trying to meet quotas. The law should be leveraged to fight legitimate crime, not 'immorality', and it can't just be enforced indiscriminately. It's rare, though, that you'll find one that can make decisions like this.I like your conclusion, Alice. All cops are trying to just follow orders and "do their job", but in reality, the police force is from the citizens and by the citizens, because it's made up of citizens (at least, it should be). This means that a policeman can enforce his own principals (much like jury nullification), whether it's to beat up innocent black men, or let off a group of harmless mourning drunks. A kind of "imperfect perfection", I guess. Ultimately, they can face distrust from the public and punishment from authority for doing the "wrong thing", however blurry and subjective that definition is.
Dystopian law enforcement lies on the side of brainwashing and fear of stepping out of line. In the same but opposite way, dystopian law enforcement can act to their own benefit and have little punishment. The right balance lies with discretion to "enforce the well being of the people". Some might interpret that goal to be strict about drug use, yet others might interpret to make exceptions.
No.1687
>>1675I found out about this phenomenon very recently while casually browsing youtube. It astonished me. I ended up watching motorcyclists vs cops vids for hours. Still haven't come to a conclusion on the whole trimmed ebike vs motorcycle think tho.
No.2239
>>1679i'm 1459, the things i told happened in Italy
No.2865
>>1671>Seriously its the whole thing of just act like you belong there and no one bothers you.I can tell you're very white.
No.2866
>>2864Holy soykaf, anon. You ruined a bunch of kids' party and punched a guy out for no reason. You're a fucking asshole.
No.2867
>>2864wow you're a piece of soykaf congrats.
No.2868
>>2864"that happened"
Also, you larping chode, it's muay thai or thai kickboxing.
You need to stop the lies, dude.
No.2870
>>2866>>2867>>2868>im an asshole for being woken up by noise pollution, attempting first to solve it civilly then winning a fight others started after threatening me, ganging up on me then throwing the first punchLol ok, sorry that you're glitterboy pushovers I guess, that's all I can think if you're triggered by this.
Also dunno where you are but everyone at my sessions just calls it thai boxing
No.2871
>>2870In what backwards country is throwing stones at windows considered civil?
No.2872
this bullsoykaf only exists in the US, by the way. if you think the world is already dystopian, you just need to get out of there, and not choose china as your new home.
No.2873
I live in a rural part of Germany so I never had a real run in with the police. My dad once called them because we had marks on our door that looked like someone wanted to come in. They came, took a look at it and just shrugged their shoulders.
I know people who had some negative contact with them though and I'm not a huge fan of our police apparatus. (getting beaten at the police station, made fun of during controls etc.)
No.2874
Cops are niggers. Enough said.
No.2876
>>2871it was a tiny pebble to get their attention, i couldnt knock on the door seeing as it was a student appartment block and the music was so loud that yelling got no response
all i yelled when i got their attention was "turn the music down man it's 3am"
No.2882
> Ever had any run ins with the po-po in your life?
Once they came and rescued a cat from a tree and another time they came to my school and told us not to use drugs so I didn't. The police are your friends, Alice.
No.2883
>>2882>The police are your friends, Alice.Then why don't they ever ask me to go out with them to the park, the beach, etc.?
the police aren't my friends..
No.2884
I've had interactions with the police, but I am now trying to consider if I had any positive interactions ever.
Not long ago, in my neighborhood, a man was beaten to death, although they arrived too late to stop it, I cant say they actively caused harm or disruption. Rather they came, did their work, tried to sort things out as best they could, and that was that.
No.2889
I was at a protest once that got so out of hand the police ran out of riot gas and had to borrow combat grade teargas from the army. I've been a passenger in the backseat of a USBP truck. I have been indirectly maced, just a few drops on the breeze that were intended for someone else. I've seen people arrested for the dumbest things more times than I care to count. I must have some magical charm over me because I talked my way out of those same situations and many more similar ones unscathed. I was in a camp that got raided and evicted by 100 cops once, there were less than half that number of us. We had advanced warning so I got out fine.
Police have shot and killed people within a few blocks of me several times but I never actually saw it. They shot dead a guy I knew while he was visiting another country. They physically tortured a friend of mine to make him talk in county jail and sexually assaulted another during an illegal search.
…just off the top of my head. There's an NWA song, the chorus summarizes my feelings on the subject. I think you know it.
No.2891
>>2882If they're going around telling people not to take drugs, they definitely aren't your friend.
No.2892
>>2891well, you have to do the right drugs. if you need help, the police will take you to a doctor who can give you drugs to make you a better citizen.
No.2928
>>1580Unrelated to anyone in the conversation you're quoting, but;
I grew up in the crust punk/d-beat scene, was in a couple of bands, read Chomsky, etc.,etc. Parents worked nights and they were going through hard times financially so I grew up in a rough part of the city (North Las Vegas to be exact). To be honest I never had any bad 'run ins' and what run ins I did have weren't as bad as the worst run ins I had with the homeless/other punks. Maybe I have been brainwashed, but for as much as I distrust the government, I distrust the corporations even more. That SOUNDS cyberpunk, but considering all the major cyber corporations now spout the stuff left leaning 'cyberpunk'-esque philosophy you think we'd like, I don't know where I stand.
I hate falling into the classical liberal/libertarian meme, but it really feels like I can only deal with people on an individual basis, instead of viewing people as "you cop, you bad" "you punk, you good". Then again, being a teen in Las Vegas in the early to mid 2000s I swear the average citizen was crazier than in other places.
No.2932
>>2928I think in U.S. there is quite a strange melting of politics and subcultures. I have never considered using the word "punks" referring to leftists in general.
Anyway, corporations are pushing liberal/libertarian ideologiez much more than lefty ones. What do you mean when you refer to "left-leaning cyberpunkesque philosophy"? Cause the first things coming to my head when i hear that are Fisher and left acelerationism, which are completely opposed to any kind of neoliberal ideology embraced by silicon valley and big corporations.
No.2940
>>1418Nah, this is just the bare minimum of knowing your rights. The idea that asserting your rights at all has become the turf of right wing idiots is the real problem here.
That and their weird obsession with navy-fringe flags.
No.2963
>>2928The difference is, the police are an institution and tha punx aren't. If you sign up to be a cop there is an assumption that you accept not only the rule of law as a concept but also the current order of that rule as opposed to that of some other political vision. Being punk ultimately means you like a type of music and nothing more, as a total unifying concept. It means more to certain people but not as a universality.
There are punks that are squatter junkies, ones that see squatting as a political protest and might kick the junkies out of their squat, punks that are hipster record collectors or merely fashion obsessed, people who just get stoned and ride a skateboard and do graffiti, etc. Some are literally hippies with a better soundtrack. As a broad stereotype, the ones from Vegas you mentioned tend to have been among the more violent and stupid.
Most punks aren't actually anarchists or very far left. Most are probably liberal or apolitical, there's even some prominent US musicians who support the republicans.
If you want to argue that there are decent people who become cops, fair enough. I'm still taking issue with the instituion itself and can only see them as OK people by seeing them as separate from that instituion.
No.2964
>>2864>>noise pollution apparently legalnoise pollution is legal just like air pollution.
t. someone who lived next to a train
What is Noise Pollution?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_pollution
