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Looks promising. I love how more and more alternatives to the public internet are being developed. Especially now that we know the extent of surveillance and with all the increasing censorship I would not hesitate to sacrifice some convenience to have a proper anonymous/free Wired.

>>692
>I love how more and more alternatives to the public internet are being developed.
What other ones are there? I don't consider overlay networks to be a permanent solution.

Their q&a section descibes data chains like this. Could any technical minded person here assess the feasibility and practicality of this?
>In the same way that the Bitcoin blockchain does not hold bitcoins, a data chain doesn’t hold data. However, it does provide evidence that a piece of data exists and where it should exist. Crucially, with the SAFE Network the data identified is real (documents, videos etc). That means that we can use that data identifier to prove the actual data itself is valid Network data (i.e. it has been accepted previously by the Network).

>So what is the architecture of a Data Chain? Imagine a block of data. This contains the data identifiers (for example, hash, name, type of data etc). Connected to this block is a link. This link a collection of signatures by all of the members of a group who agree that the details within this block of data are correct. With every change in the membership of the group, a new link is created and added to the Data Chain.

>There is much more to the detail of this architecture but to summarise, the Data Chain will split as the Network grows whilst the collective record will remain, accessible to all nodes. The links prove the membership and agreement that has taken place in the past. Using Data Chains, nodes have a provable history on the Network which means that they can prove group membership and be ranked easily for security purposes. Some nodes will not need to hold the actual data but instead hold only identifiers as the existence of that data is guaranteed. And crucially, Data Chains will ultimately enable the secure republishing of data should the Network ever lose power, as well as providing validation that data has been stored on the Network.

>We believe that Data Chains appear to be a natural progression for decentralised systems. They allow data of any type, size or format to be looked after and maintained in a secure and decentralised manner—in the sense of not only protecting physical data but also the validity of such data on the Network.

>>693
a popular one had been cjdns/hyperboria. its progress strikes me as unsatisfying though, and its development seems stalling.
>inb4 overlay net
do it the least dignity of reading two paragraphs on it, it can be an overlay yes, but its not bound to be.

of course, there's always freifunk.

>>695
>The ultimate goal is to create a net which will not fail if the internet does.
This part got me. Scalability seems limited and the whole thing is too human reliant. Humans are the source of the issue to begin with. It's basically an overlay that also works on meshnetworks, right? Meshnetworks are a dead-end.

Its an overlay that can be used also on meshnets or othernets, connecting different nodes given their IP, that is, cjdns.

personally, the internet as it stands is a culmination of human effort, and quite a lot of it. perhaps this is a poor yardstick. I'm not sure how any other large network will work without quite a lot of effort expended, this is simply the way of large projects.

if it were easy we'd have extant alternatives today. its not easy.

meshnetworks can be quite extended with gateways, that a user can use to bridge between one network and another one. To be honest I find this more than adequate. I admit my views on the ideal arrangement of an internet are potentially niche.

>>694
I havent read all of these documentations and it seems like there is quite a lot. thank you for finding an less fluffy subselection.

That does not sound, in principal impossible, nor to me entierly stupid, that is no more stupid than any other projects jumping on the blocktrain.

However this does not much speak of physical hardware infrastructure, which makes me assume he remains on the level of all of the other overlay networks, using the internet infrastructure to transport these data.

Ultimately we must admit that the internet is not a software project but also an physical infrastructure project. Sure the software side is neccisary, but its only half of the project.

You cannot lay cross oceanic cables from your office. For now, the hope of a pan global data network without centralization in those governments and corporations with the resources to handle such cables, is quite a fantasy.

>>697
You're right that relying on wireless entirely is currently impossible. In the case of cjdns, I guess latency caused by going through gateways wouldn't be too bad if it uses the clearnet as a backbone. I wouldn't know though.
>that is no more stupid than any other projects jumping on the blocktrain
Is there something fundamentally bad about it?
Anyway, it's not open to the public yet and getting authorization requires tedious forum circular jerking. I don't know enough to make any serious use of my account and don't really plan to, so i'll just post the information here since somebody else whose more adept could post results. Why the fuck not? You can't change log-in info as far as I know.
https://safenetwork.org/downloads/
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