No.637
Hello, Lains. I'm sure you've all heard of Mastodon, the free, open-source, decentralized, and rapidly-growing social network. If you haven't, here's a quick rundown:
>Mastodon is a free, open-source social network. A decentralized alternative to commercial platforms, it avoids the risks of a single company monopolizing your communication. Pick a server that you trust — whichever you choose, you can interact with everyone else. Anyone can run their own Mastodon instance and participate in the social network seamlessly.What sets Mastodon apart:Timelines are chronological
Public timelines
500 characters per post
GIFV sets and short videos
Granular, per-post privacy settings
Rich block and muting tools
Ethical design: no ads, no tracking
Open API for apps and services
Please feel free to share your Mastodon info in this thread, to find other like-minded lainons to connect with. And if you have any questions about Mastodon, this is the thread.
Trying to figure out which instance is right for you? Here's a handy tool to pick one out:
https://instances.mastodon.xyzPersonally, I use cybre.space, and would recommend it to most lainons looking to give Mastodon a try as it's pretty comfy and it has a unique cyberpunk/glitch art theme.
I can be found at
https://cybre.space/@vantablack No.638
You couldn't make this post less friendly to normal people. Bring the normal people in.
No.640
>>638So I should've purposefully made this post as dense and unintelligible as possible so only ub3r l33t individuals could unterstand it?
No, thanks. I'm trying to create a quality post, not gatekeep Mastodon.
No.641
I second
https://cybre.space instance for you cyb peoples. It has a good admin and I believe blacklists the soykafpost/cartoon frog instances out there. You can still engage with them if you want because freedom or whatever but by default the soykafstorm is at a minimum.
>>638>narmal pepul r bad cuz i wuz hurr furstThis is why the old site continues to fail.
"Normal people" use twitter, everyone else is moving to mastodon especially those that are censored in their home country.
>>640Thanks for posting this, I've seen some lains out there already. Works much better than GNU social/quitter.
No.642
I've never really understood the point of twitter or its clones. What do you actually use them for? Replacing RSS?
No.643
>>642They call it microblogging for a reason. It's a way of broadcasting your 140 character-long thoughts in the general direction of everyone else.
No.644
>Terms
>We collect information from you when you register on our site and gather data when you participate in the forum by reading, writing, and evaluating the content shared here.
>We may contract with third-party service providers to assist us in better understanding our site visitors.
>We do not sell, trade, or otherwise transfer to outside parties your personally identifiable information. This does not include trusted third parties who assist us in operating our site, conducting our business, or servicing you, so long as those parties agree to keep this information confidential. We may also release your information when we believe release is appropriate to comply with the law, enforce our site policies, or protect ours or others rights, property, or safety. However, non-personally identifiable visitor information may be provided to other parties for marketing, advertising, or other uses.
>Occasionally, at our discretion, we may include or offer third party products or services on our site. These third party sites have separate and independent privacy policies.
I'll stick to Diaspora, Friendica or some GNU Social network.
No.648
>>644lol!
Was reading that as well. Immediately closed the tab.
No.651
>>644boi, wtf is this. why does every non-megacorp social networking site with a nice interface have to have some bs terms of service. i'll just stick to getting data mined on twitter.
No.652
>>644I read read this after deleting my account (which I made maybe an hour or two before).
if that isn't enough of a reason for you to avoid that soykaf, the site feed is the most cancerous soykaf, people talking like they're schizophrenics, talking about their headmates and other bs makes me dream for a nuclear fallout.
No.663
>>651There are some good ones, quitter is fine AFAIK.
No.665
>>663If you mean qvitter, then you may want to look at the bonkers default TOS boilerplate for a qvitter install. (Direct from
https://github.com/hannesmannerheim/qvitter/blob/master/doc/en/terms.html) For example:
>On this instance, users who harass others will be removed. We also take a strong stance against e.g. racism, sexism, ableism, antisemitism, homo- and transphobia. Such expressions make the site unsafe for other users, and in practice limit their freedom of speech. No.670
>>665Unless you intend on being an insufferable douchebag to people, why do those things even matter?
No.671
>>665I meant quitter as in the implementations of GNU Social: quitter.se, quitter.no, etc.
Those guidelines are specific to each decentralized server, it's a community guideline, not a functionality ingrained in the protocol or the system. Mastodon violates your privacy, while some quitter instances address reports by banning you if you're hateposting.
Now, wether it should be the default is debatable, but I think it sould, because I think this
>and in practice limit their freedom of speech.is true.
The only other thing in that TOS is that they can disallow you from having your posts appear on the public timeline. Seems like a fine way to defend from spam and deal with porn et al.
All in all it's still orders of magnitude better than the mainstream social nets.
No.672
>>670I find it troubling how many people think that enforcing some sort of moral code "sounds good". It's actually disappointing. Almost think this should be called a cyber-conservative not-punk board.
Not that I hold any of those views, but I strongly oppose enforcing a moral code anywhere. If someone says something I don't like, I block them. If I allow myself to get upset because someone I don't know typed something I disagree with, I've let myself down.
No.675
>>670>people should be allowed to determine what you can and cannot say because there's people I don't likeftfy
No.676
>>675Troll soykaf like that just brings down the quality of the site for all involved parties, though. The same way Lainchan has rules about not personally attacking or provoking users, arguing in good faith, making intelligent posts, etc.. It's all to maintain a baseline of quality for this site.
In the same way, sites like Mastodon and Qvitter prohibit harassment of other users, as well as racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. in order to keep their overall level of quality in check. Being a different medium than imageboards, however, their standards of what constitutes "quality" just happen to be a bit different.
No.732
>>676Why can't they just say "don't harass other users" then?
Why does it need made-up SJW terms like "ableist"?
No.733
>>732Because even if it isn't directed at other users, stuff like Nazi trollposting would still soykaf the place up and bring down overall quality due to how the Federated Timeline works. The only options are to see everything from your local instance, or to see everything from every instance. Ergo, if they allow such soykaf, everyone still has to see and deal with it. And this almost always inevitably ends with the Nazi trollposters strirring up soykaf and getting into arguments with people.
As far as I've seen, "Ableism" just refers to not distastefully disparaging the handicapped. It's not that you can't say something like "hah, that's retarded." It's that they don't want people going on and on about how gays and cripples are inferior and should be taken to concentration camps.
No.755
Another Mastodon instance you might enjoy:
https://hackers.town/ No.757
>>733TBH I really don't give a damn about neofash types, they are isolated as a community can be, powerless, zero influence IRL
The SJW? that's some real soykaf, they have wormed their way into massive megacorps like google, they dominate the internet media environment (neofashs get a couple super low traffic blogs at best) with companies like huffpo and buzzfeed. If you are in their way them they will end you, they have friends in all the high places from twitter employees to reddit admins so don't think you can do jack because all it takes is a couple DMs and any support you get will be deleted, scrubbed clean of those networks. They don't give a fuck about censorship as long is not them getting censored.
But go ahead, tell me how a bunch of skiddies posting hitler frog memes are the real threat
No.758
>>644
>twitter but for 1337 h4xx0rz!
>We collect information from you when you register on our site and gather data when you participate in the forum by reading, writing, and evaluating the content shared here.>>665Funny how discrimination against the poor or thirdworlders isn't in that list, but then again why would rich frisco hipsters even care about that people? they can't get any brownie points for that
>Such expressions make the site unsafe for other users, and in practice limit their freedom of speech.Yeah because cliques and megacorps can't simply use any of those tags arbitrarily to censor stuff they don't like right?
Oh wait they do, all the time
>>672Indeed, we're marching towards a soft-orwellian future were instead of big brother we have some cyber-scene girl looking bot made by microsoft shadowbanning you because talking about sweatshop employees killing themselves is somehow transphobic
Is censorship but cool
>>676Echochambers are worse
All I see from sites with those policies is that the bullying and passive-aggressive trolling is so bad people have to self-censor themselves
No.760
>>757>The SJW? that's some real soykaf, they have wormed their way into massive megacorps like google, they dominate the internet media environment (neofashs get a couple super low traffic blogs at best) with companies like huffpo and buzzfeed. If you are in their way them they will end you, they have friends in all the high places from twitter employees to reddit admins so don't think you can do jack because all it takes is a couple DMs and any support you get will be deleted, scrubbed clean of those networks. They don't give a fuck about censorship as long is not them getting censored.Am not going to argue about what counts as censorship or how the idea of some cabal of some vague sort of morality police that is a all powerful force on the internet that is run by depressed teenagers who are into feminism sounds like a dumb by product of the American culture wars.
By what i am going to point out is that you seem to suffer from very misplaced priorities, one should care less about weather one can say the N word on the internet and more about weather one can voice ones dissent to governments and corporations, that one can voice radical alternatives to the current economic and political system without being targeted by bans on flimsy justifications while Nazis and pedos can do what they want without geting anywhere near the same attention, that one can not have there personal data get given to governments and corporations, that one can put up videos showing police violence
without getting taken down for "inappropriate content".
In a messed up world where people slave away in sweatshops and mines,were there is bone crushing neo liberalism, where global inequality and racial tensions seem to be at there worse in decades, where we seem to be seeing one of the largest assaults on the right to privacy and freedom of movement in human history, where the shadow of nuclear doom looms over mankind again, i wish i could live in a reality where my biggest problems was SJWs.
No.761
>>644I don't believe this is a standard term on all instances. This "cyberpunk" one seems to be datamining it's users and plans to insert ads in the future. Avoid.
>>757The big ones like .social seems to be full of brewing soykaf these bizarre alt-left/SJW memes and whiny knee-jerk rants about having some mental illness. If you want to see openly racist gays like some twisted alt-whatever movement, mastodon is where you'll see them in full force as apparently the rainbow doesn't have enough colors now.
First impression is just utter soykaf for anyone trying to get in at this point but you'll have to do some digging to find an unmolested instance out there.
No.763
>>761
>I don't believe this is a standard term on all instances. This "cyberpunk" one seems to be datamining it's users and plans to insert ads in the future. Avoid.Jeez, no kidding. That's about the least-punk boilerplate I can imagine. It's pure silicon valley buzzword bingo.
No.768
>>761>This "cyberpunk" one seems to be datamining it's usersThis IS standard on all instances. Not "datamining" per-se, but the boilerplate collection stuff you quoted.
>and plans to insert ads in the future. Have you ever actually even USED Mastodon before? Or even just seen it's UI? Where would they even be able to put these ads?
Furthermore, where are you even getting this "plans to insert ads in the future" stuff from? There's nothing anywhere on cybre.space that indicates that's what they intend to do. Most of Mastodon is heavily anti-capitalist and this is the last thing an instance would ever do.
No.769
>>768
>Have you ever actually even USED Mastodon before? Or even just seen it's UI? Where would they even be able to put these ads? The same place Twitter does: masquerading as normal posts in one's feeed. No UI change needed. In fact, the lack of a UI change is a bonus from the advertisers' perspectives, since ads-as-posts are difficult for adblockers to get rid of.
No.770
>>768They were probably talking about this part on the boilerplate as it opens the possibility of ads:
>Third party links
>Occasionally, at our discretion, we may include or offer third party products or services on our site. These third party sites have separate and independent privacy policies. We therefore have no responsibility or liability for the content and activities of these linked sites. Nonetheless, we seek to protect the integrity of our site and welcome any feedback about these sites.I haven't seen an instance that slips ads in yet but I'd guess that this is where they would start.
News bots are the closest thing to ads right now but I hope they don't evolve into spambots. Not likely as the community appears to be anti-capitalist / left leaning but this is untested as of yet.
>>761Yes .social is literally a zoo because of the sheer number of users and well, the majority of them are LGBT furries. They actually closed registrations (again) to get people to sign up on other instances to help decentralize the network.
No.780
>>670Capitalists aren't welcome, for one thing.
No.782
>>780This is a good thing.
No.785
>>784>muh freedommastodon is de-centralized.
You can make your own soykafty instance full of aids but don't be a bitch when nobody will federate with you.
No.787
>>644This is only in their because the main dev / admin of mastodon.social is clueless and just put in some boilerplate.
I've worked on another fediverse implementation that you can also use to interact with your mastodon / gnusoc friends. Example instance at pleroma.soykaf.com.
No.789
>>785Muh freedom is rather important, whats the point of a place that only authorized thoughts are allowed?
The funny part is you people wont even deny that's what you are doing.
But I digress.
Anyone know of a instance, why you aren't expected to be a full time self hating communist?
No.790
>>789Masto:
niu.moe
noagenda.social
GS:
soykaf brewer.club
freezepeach.xyz
Pleroma (beta):
pleroma.soykaf.club
No.791
>>790* pleroma.soykaf.com
No.792
>>789>>784Allow me to clarify: Capitalists are NOT outright disallowed from joining Mastodon instances or voicing their viewpoints, but Capitalism itself is heavily frowned upon, in general, by the Mastodon community and people will likely try to refute your viewpoints.
No.793
>>792maybe in your part of the fediverse.
No.794
>>793Hilariously enough, there's
https://capitalism.party/, the only instance I've seen so far to straight-faced
charge users for signing up.
They have 17 users. No.795
Some people are really butthurt here that there are sites that don't cater to their needs. Despite what the advertisements in the TV wants you to believe, not everything is about you, not everybody wants to win you over.
No.796
>>792Anything that comes across as promotional whoring is generally frowned upon to prevent corporations trying to shill their way in via slide marketing tactics. This is in line with capitalism but even begging accompanied by some sob story are considered disgusting.
Most communists on mastodon are just hipsters LARPing politics. They basically equate captialism with trump so they just run in the opposite direction while posting from some coffee shop. They have no idea what it's like to live under a communist regime and just assume politicians are never, ever corrupt.
There are instances with a no-holds-barred policy but they're usually full of soykaf brewers, cp and alt-right members.
No.797
>>796Some smart things said here.
No.799
I like mastodon for what it is on the technical side of things, but the community is terrible. It's a compartmentalized autistic furry soykafshow.
No.803
>>799again, in your part of the fediverse. maybe. There is no 'mastodon' community, different servers have different moods and atmospheres. One could start a dedicated lain instance, too.
No.807
>>803If anyone is interested in setting up a dedicated lain instance hit me up on telegram (sorry but spotty internet where I'm at now) and I would be more than willing to let you use lain.haus
No.815
>>807I would offer
social.lainchan.jp
as well. There are also domains like
lain.chat
and
lain.social
available.
No.820
there used to be a lainchan gnusocial instance up at soykaf.com, but was taken off line due to mismanagement, it has been put up by another person as pleroma.soykaf.com
I was a soykaf.com user, and went to soykaf brewer.club
the problem is that these mastodon folks dont federate with any gnusocial servers, they blanket ban them for not having the same restrictive moderation style
No.821
>>820>there used to be a lainchan gnusocial instance up at soykaf.com, but was taken off line due to mismanagementI actually knew the admin in real life, he's from my city and used to go to the same hackerspace I did. Heard about lainchan from him. Apparently the legal problems were a cover story. He simply got bored and didn't care enough to hand it off to someone else so he just deleted it and lied about why. Dude's a flake. A few months back he seemed to have some breakdown, sold everything he had with any kind of transceiver, and seemed to drop off the face of the earth. Weird fucking dude.
No.824
>>821 what the fuck lmao.
welp, s h i t poster.club is pretty reliable so whatever I guess.
No.826
>>807is this a thing now or never happened?
No.857
>>826no one made one. what makes an instance 'lain themed'? I have pleroma.soykaf.com, which is at least cyb-related. there's also cybre.space. do people really just want to join an instance that has 'lain' somewhere in its name?
No.1067
I tried for a while, thinking about a cyb place where to discuss tech or programming; instead, what I found was an LGBT community of alternative tweets. I have nothing without it, but it's boring and not interesting: account deleted.
At least some diaspora instance "tried" to focus on tech arguments, but microblogging it's not for me, chan it's just better.
NB. I tried cybre.space and mastodon.technology
No.1296
>>1295
Mastodon is typical social justice driven programing.
If you run a GNU/Social server you can see how much pointless spam Mastodon has on its network.
No.1330
>>1296Agreed. I made a mastodon account in the wake of its popularity to find mostly social justice warriors plaguing every instance except a few.
No.1333
>>1296>>1330absolutely ebic xD
(even as an anarchist I kinda agree with this tho, a lot of it is the most obnoxious sorts of political types)
No.1334
>>1333It's not even funny, it's literally soykafeating no-skill millennials with a few normal people in the mix.
No.2569
This might be offtopic but has anyone tried out scuttlebutt? If so what were you alls thoughts? I was thinking about starting an account there, it seems to be put on by some really uhh privacy oriented folks.
No.2575
Pleroma is much better. I'm on
https://accela.online/And you have a lot of other GNU Social instances who moved to Pleroma
No.2613
>people I don't like use free software! waa waa!
No.2614
>>2612Please stop posting this. I am the author of that email (as proven here
http://ix.io/1KCb) and was recently told that the things I said in it were too muddled to be true. I genuinely believed what I was saying to be true, and have since discovered that I was misremembering events, and was paying too much attention to then-contemporary fake news articles. I have since removed this image from several places I shared it to. Please disregard this post, else make a better one.
It is true that Mastadon is soykaf, but I made several incorrect statements in this email (though there is truth intermixed). Please stop sharing this, else I be accused of slander.
No.2616
>>2615>>2614You really care that much about the 'good name' of the pseudonym Se7en? To go through all this effort? Get a life dude.
No.2617
>>2616I was simply saying it was misinformation
No.2630
>>2617I've never seen you post anything that wasn't misinformation. I get that you are young and all, but if you don't want to worry about the misinformation you are posting constantly coming back to bite you, maybe don't say it? At least not under your name. If you don't have nice information to say refrain from tearing down good project when you for a fact have never contributed at all to a single open source project?
No.2637
>>2613>>people I don't like use free software! waa waa!Well, you could always revoke(). If you wanted a court battle.
No.2640
>>1296>>1330>>1333I don't understand why these people left twitter given how liberal it is. The only advantage I could see is if you had your own private instance that's invite only where you don't have to deal with right-wingers or whatever. I'm sure lots of instances like that exist, but I'd still say at least 2/3rds of the people I see on mastodon are either trans, queer, furry, or some combination. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I just had already thought of twitter as a pretty safe space for that crowd and was surprised the "anti-twitter" had an even greater concentration of these types.
In my experience at least, there is WAY less political talk on mastodon though. Maybe it's just because there aren't as many bloggers/"journalists" trying to shill their content unlike twitter. It really is kina true to the "microblogging" name and less "check out this article I wrote, be sure to like+subscribe!"
No.2642
>>2640>I'm sure lots of instances like that exist, but I'd still say at least 2/3rds of the people I see on mastodon are either trans, queer, furry, or some combination.Twitter has been on a major de-anonymization drive for the past several years. Even if many Twitter users aren't actively hostile to people with such niche interests, that doesn't mean that users with those interests are interested in irrevocably tying their real-life identities to those niche interests.
No.2643
>>2640>I don't understand why these people left twitter given how liberal it is.Come on now, I'm sure you can think of plenty of reasons. Maybe they like Free Software, decentralisation or just wanted to try something new. But if you really can't think of anything, why not ask some of them?
No.2653
>>2642Given how many of them use their real names, use a picture of their face as their avatar, and regularly post full body nudes, I really don't think anonymity is that big of a factor for them.
No.2693
>>2640>I don't understand why these people left twitter given how liberal it is.This is more psychological than rational. Anyone with sufficiently extreme opinions is fighting a constant battle with cognitive dissonance. So when someone says something they don't agree with and does't immediately get derezzed they feel like the platform is against them. I think that's largely what's happening when someone complains about "nazis" on Twitter.
>The only advantage I could see is if you had your own private instanceI think the decentralized design makes people
feel like they have more control than Twitter. Again, psychological.
No.2694
Repost from other thread:
>>2346
>I very much hate Mastodon social, both its authors and its implementation are malicious in nature. Lets talk about this for a second.
>First off, Eugen is a unironic piece of soykaf. For a while, I and a few other people were perusing the creation of an alternate implementation of the source. I was asking moonman, the guy who runs ｓｈｉｔｐｏｓｔｅｒ club about how various parts of webfinger worked, and Eugen literally ran into the conversation and claimed he shouldn't answer my questions because I was a neo-nazi or something. He has done this on multiple occasions to many people in an attempt to stifle out completion with his product. There have been many other attempts to create new gnu/social implementations that were maliciously blotted out by him, but I have a lot of respect for the privacy of the people who worked on it. They are personal friends of mine who I have worked with on other project. Those stories are for others to tell.
>Next off, lets talk about mastodon social itself. Its a somewhat solid platform, but it has one issue that is specifically designed to mess with other gnu/social implementations. Do you remember Microsoft's modus operandi to flip open source protocols into proprietary systems? It was Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish. This is exactly what Eugen has done with his software. Mastodon, when it was first introduced, Embraced the protocols behind gnu/social (ostatus). Then he introduced his own additions to the protocol, private messaging. He was warned from the start that there would be scoping issues. Then, upon its implementation, he freaked out and encouraged people to block gnu/social nodes for not sup porting a feature that he introduced without consulting anyone else working on/with ostatus. Many nodes were forced to swap over to mastodon to stay part of the network.
>Eugen's behavior is the whole reason groups like the gun/social axis exist. They aren't just random autists that post smug lolis that decided to organize for no reason. Its because he decided to try and hijack the whole network.
>(please excuse the random vaporwave text, needed to avoid some of seph's wordfilters as they are direct references to various websites) No.2695
https://gnujihad.neocities.org/https://gnujihad.neocities.org/☢ NUKE MASTODON - ☢
Inshalla Brothers! - !
Mastodon Social has stained the holy ostatus network with infidel filth. For this it will pay. In blood. Oh our blessed allah! Protect us in our holy war against the kaffirs! Our guns will be bathed in glory! A nuclear rain will be brought down upon the infidels!
God is the greatest! God is the greatest! Bring your wrath down! Bring your wrath down!
The demands of GNU/Jihad -
Mastdon social and its methodes have proved to be a STAIN on the network, and has encoraged people to BLOCK nodes. Until all nodeblocks are removed, and the barries between the warriers of allah and their people are removed, we will not rest. The Non-believers of mastodon must be CONVERTED into our ways, weather by force or by peaceful means. Islam is a RELIGION OF PEACE but if we are forced to do so we will become a RELIGION OF VIOLENCE .
https://gnujihad.neocities.org/leak/https://gnujihad.neocities.org/leak/https://gnujihad.neocities.org/leak/ No.2696
>>2695It's outrageous that someone would data mine public social media posts. That's not why those posts were created. They were created to keep the existential dread away. Data mining does nothing for that!
