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I've been interested in Source Mage since I saw someone brewing soykaf about it on /g/. Thanks for the info.

>>1158
Anytime, friend.

For those interested in some history, Source Mage was originally called Sorcerer (first released in 2000, the same year as Gentoo), but due to some problems (around 2002), Sorcerer split into 3 distros: Lunar Linux (pretty much dead), Sorcerer (fork by the original creator, he took it offline for some reason and killed it) and Source Mage (with most of the original dev team).
By the time Source Mage got off the ground (2002), Gentoo had already amassed a large and vibrant community, basically leaving Source Mage in the dust.
Since Gentoo had much more momentum at a critical time, Source Mage remained in it's shadow ever since.
That's the reason why Source Mage is largely unknown now compared to Gentoo, despite technically being as old as Gentoo.
http://sourcemage.org/History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Mage#History

Despite all that, Source Mage is still a good distro.
The package management tools work well and there are still people working on them.
The problem is that the distro is so small right now, there are not enough people to maintain all the spells and keep them up with the upstream.
If you're going to install it, you should use the test grimoire (it's not bleeding edge, but it's quite up to date and fine for my needs at least).

>>1156
this looks very interesting. I got Arch some years ago because I wanted to understand OSes and UNIX better and it has been a great experience, so I would love to mess with something that leaves open the inner guts more. Plus systemd alternatives are interesting to me because systemd looked almost like a second kernel in term of vastness.
I also have a spare laptop with
>win10
on it, so I don't even have to get rid of my main OS install to try something new.
also I always liked the wizard humor

I had forgotten about Source Mage, tbh, but I think I'll end up using it for my next install since it's exactly what I was looking for in a distro. Thanks for posting. :)

For the up-and-coming Unix wizards, take this (attached):

This thread has inspired me. I've known about Source Mage for a while now, but it's always been a thought in the back of my head. I'm a long time Arch user but I like testing out different distros.

Wish me luck on my magical adventures!

>>1156
I don't really trust any distro that claims to be for "advanced" users. That includes Arch, Gentoo/Funtoo, sourcemage, etc. They all usually fall prey to the whole sekret club superiority complex mentality while failing to offer many compelling reasons to use them other than hacker cred. The most revealing thing about these distros is how userbase complains when build/install scripts are developed to automate the process for the people who want the occasional neat feature that the system offers.

I have been using slackware since the early 2000s, and I fail to see any reason to switch to anything else. There is an automated install script, slackbuilds, no systemd, and generally feels like the UNIX systems I learned on.

Have fun with what you want to do though. I like that there is so much choice available in the community, and I wouldn't want to spoil anyones fun.

>>1332
Arch and Gentoo have gui/tui installers and gentoo can be used without compiling everything. Slackware is good too. I compiled my first kernelmodules on it.

>>1351
yeah they do, I mentioned that. The community absolutely sperged out about it when they got popular, because it broke up their secret clubhouse. I would use that as an example to show how these distros are not a positive place, because the community is based entirely on how "advanced" they are.

After all this time I still don't know how to install it
baka

browsing their source tree makes me dizzy. random bits and bobs of configs, gpg keys, and scripts. if bare bones distro sans systemd is what you want then use Crux or just build your own setup from scratch.

>>1352
meh. As part of the "community" surrounding one of these minor distros, I'd say the community as it stands is pretty much friendly people trying to help eachother and make less work for themselves and everyone. While following some niche principals and expecting normal users to be able to package their own software if they want it avaliable.

I think the "elite distro, advanced linux haxx0rs only" people come before the main crowd, and happily, we (usually) dont seem to have much of that.

Does it have the GRSecurity patch to the linkux kernel?

If no, not interested.
Linux security is T R A S H without pax and grsec.

>>2701
build your own kernel, alice.

Its a sourcebased distro.

I'm interested.
Maybe I could try SMGL this winter, or as soon as I have some free time. Thanks for the info, Arisu!

>>2701
>>2702
The public Grsecurity/pax patches have been completely ruined by Meltdown/Specter mitigations. You can't just apply them to modern kernels anymore.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=4dIKbj_6diU

Kees Cook is heading most of the work to get old Grsec stuff mainlined. Keep an eye on his blog to get a better understanding of where Linux security is and where it's going.
https://outflux.net/blog/

>>2706
Not going to use your distro: you've shown yourself to be a kernel newbie.

>Kees Cook is heading most of the work to get old Grsec stuff mainlined. Keep an eye on his blog to get a better understanding of where Linux security is and where it's going.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Man you haven't been paying attention. AT ALL.

>>2706
>The public Grsecurity/pax patches have been completely ruined by Meltdown/Specter mitigations. You can't just apply them to modern kernels anymore.

Actual programmers hand patch the needed mitigations in, if they want them, which they usually don't Fucking retard.

No GRSECURITY, No Download.

>>2709
>Not going to use your distro: you've shown yourself to be a kernel newbie.
I didn't say anything about any distros. We're talking about the kernel.

>Actual programmers hand patch the needed mitigations in, if they want them, which they usually don't Fucking retard.
And if you actually tried patching a modern kernel you'd get conflicts with things like retpoline. The fact that you don't know that means you've never tried and you're just larping here.

>No GRSECURITY, No Download.
Show me a distro shipping grsec with a >4.0 kernel. As far as I know everyone who tried to keep the public grsec patchset alive has given up at this point.

>>2719

GRSEC or bust dude. It is completely unreasonable and unacceptable not to have it.

>>2723
>GRSEC or bust dude. It is completely unreasonable and unacceptable not to have it.
Nobody has grsec in 2019 though. I'm curious do you genuinely think this troll is going well.

>>2724
Just because you are too stupid to patch the kernel with GRSecurity (The GRSEC devs manage to do it somehow, every single release they forward port their patch), does not make Grsec any less of a requirement.

It just means that you are a stupid do-nothing fuck. Get the fuck out of here, this is a programming board, not a "construct zip archives and similar" board.


> >>2723
> >GRSEC or bust dude. It is completely unreasonable and unacceptable not to have it.
>Nobody has grsec in 2019 though. I'm curious do you genuinely think this troll is going well.

Bet you think not being covered in tattoos is "physical trolling" too. GRSec or GET THE FUCK OUT. Without Grsec your box is 0wned in seconds. "NOBODY ELSE in 2019 is NOT covered in tattoos!".

Not an argument.
Your distros are going /backwards/ and the fact that you do not understand the value of Grsec and Pax and the laughable ignorance you show about Cook's efforts (as if they were sufficent) show that your can NOT be trusted as a distro: you are simply ignorant and DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW.

FUCKING MORON.

>>2724
You do know GRSec stable is "leaked" from time to time. Once a year it appears.
No? See, another dumb guy "playing" at this "infosec" "linux" thing. So yea: in current year people do have Grsec.

GRSec is a requirement for a secure linux system. Period.

Guys, linux is not secure, never has been. With or without patches from anyone. Stop thinking in magical black boxes.

>>2737

Source?

>>2739
read some CVE's. New bugs comming out all the time in all sorts of software.

>>2739
You really want me to link you to kernel.org don't you?