>>575> I could easily do as you've done
I approached you directly and in private, twice. You never did that. It's no coincidence that the people who have, hold different views.
>Does honesty mean nothing to you?
I'd ask you the same, considering the lies you just told about kalyx.
Honesty does matter to me, in fact I apologized to appleman almost immediately after misleading him about the board links. If we could do this again, I wouldn't have lied to him. That doesn't mean you get to keep being a dick about it 3 weeks later.
But you don't care, because the truth is only useful when it fits your narrative.
>Nobody in their right mind would think that me telling Seph that you planned to make a new site
Except, when you told her, I never planned to make a new site. In the conversation you were in, it was an option we discussed but never went forward with. Acting like this is somehow the same project and I masterminded everything from the start to the end is ridiculous. You played a role just as I did.
>The very first thing I said to you, the day you did this, in the 0chan IRC, was, "For gods sake why Junk?" I told you you'd hurt me and you told me you were sorry and I said I could forgive you.
I actually forgot you did this. I seem to recall you talking soykaf before you said that, and it was a public channel, so I had no reason to believe you weren't saying it for show. Especially since here you are, evidently not forgiving me.
>How many others have you dismissed because they didn't agree with you?
The thread you're talking about is here:https://lainchan.jp/cult/res/16.html
Several people posted and I responded to them. They didn't continue the conversation. And please don't bring kashire into this. He's told me in private not to mess with him, so I wouldn't.
>It was just an advertisement for here.
Does everything mentioning lainchan.jp count as an advertisement now? The radio also contained several bumpers mentioning applechan, and it still does. Does that mean we should censor it for "advertising"?
>There was uproar
if you call one person complaining about it "uproar," I can see where most of your opinions on this issue come from. iLikeBiscuits never asked applechan to link to the radio, they simply did.
>Oh look, Appleman made a post about it this morning, let's quote.>>You can link to archive.lainchan.jp if the content you are linking to is relevant both in and outside of /q/ without getting derezzed.
This is a new policy and it contradicts prior statements about mentioning lainchan.jp outside of /q/. Pic related. This is what I meant when I said "bans archive usage." You can't link to the archive without "mentioning lainchan.jp".
I'm glad appleman is willing to change based on criticism, but I'll bet that problems will keep cropping up because his solutions do not get to the root of the issue: You cannot buy a community.
>When people are asking for your source code the point is entirely FOSS
Appleman told us he wanted to put our code on his site. There's nothing wrong with asking someone to make code FOSS, or using FOSS code, but as we've seen with the CSS applechan has produced a pale imitation of what we made. This isn't a moral argument, it's a functional one.
And as far as I can recall applechan code isn't really FOSS, since he doesn't commit much of it to git anymore.
>Are you going to give him his money back? If not what were you selling worth 5k?
He was willing to pay $5000 for a domain name and account passwords. As far as we're concerned, he still has those. Kalyx needed the money and needed someone to maintain the community, because he was in no place to do it himself.
However, a community cannot be bought and neither can the trust of it - nor can the trust of the people you'll be working with. Appleman lost that trust, and I think he realizes it. Otherwise he wouldn't be constantly changing applechan to look like us.
>In general, your actions towards him have been barely above bullying. "Autistic" my ass and even if that were true it would only make it worse.
I've never called him autistic. You should know that I don't use that word as a pejorative. What you're doing right now, where you attempt to rally people against me and kalyx with lies, that is bullying.
>Lainchan, the community, has and must grow and evolve. The mods never had anything to do with it.
The mods had everything to do with it. It's not the responsibility of individuals to conform to the changes made by a service provided for them. They are free to choose the platform they want, something applechan loyalists don't seem to accept.
I'm also getting increasingly annoyed with your usage of "you" as if everything you're against was done by the same evil cabal of people. "we" did not wipe applechan and it was not done to promote lainchan.jp. This is a response to that wipe, and especially how appleman handled it. Several parties came together.>>574
is not me, but your second point is a question I can answer.
>Did you go and ask them?
I did. I talked to you twice, and the first time you told me you had no intentions of changing your mind. After that point, talking to you would have been useless, but I did it again because I didn't know any better. Now I know that talking to you was more than useless: it was counterproductive.
But it's not my responsibility, if someone is mistreating me, to "understand" why they are doing it. They had no business mistreating me in the first place.>>577>This explains a lot.
You're acting like I have no morals whatsoever. This is incorrect. I'm against making a prescriptive set of rules or principles, and then using those principles as an excuse to be a dick to people. In short, I'm against deontology.