No.37
Alright. This is a controversial thing to post, but I'll do it anyway. I kindly request anyone who is willing to reply to read my whole post before doing so. Let's make this a civilized discussion.
I like lainchan. I started coming to lainchan a couple of months after it was started, and I've never left. I've worked on community projects, I've been an active poster. It's important you understand: I care about lainchan, and I want us all as a community to find peace and to keep on existing.
lainchan.org has problems, this is a thing we will also all agree on, I'm sure. Starting a new board is something I can understand and even support. I do have one problem though, and it's a major one: why oh why did you have to call it lainchan as well?
Now I know the answer: because you view this board as a protest. Again, I can understand that, but I just don't think this is the way. By reusing a name that is still in use by the site that originally used it, you're basically saying that only one can continue to exist.
You want to split off, and you want to become like lainchan used to be, but this whole one "real" lainchan vibe is really bad, for all parties involved, you're essentially dividing the community, and that's like kicking whales down the beach.
I like the way you're headed with this site in general, and I must say your css and board list are far superior to those on lainchan. But I refuse to play your game. Please, pick a different name. I think it really is the best for everyone. I just want to keep the good vibes and discussion of lainchan, but this internal soykafflinging is not going to help.
I have already heard you are quite set on the subject, but please consider it.
No.38
You're whole thought process becomes more easier if you just think of it as a fork for the moment.
No.39
>>37Only because the site/domain has been bought by Appleman, doesn't mean that "lainchan" is as well.
>inb4 im quite a newfag No.40
>>37What if this does become the new lainchan though? It seems to be in good hands. The old site wasn't going anywhere anyways. They can't even find the "new board" button.
No.41
>>38My post already explained why I'm against "forking". Did you read it?
>>39Why would I call you a newfag? I'm honestly looking to discuss things here. The staff here has their reasons for wanting to get away from lainchan.org, and I respect that.
Now, in my post, there's
>You want to split off, and you want to become like lainchan used to be, but this whole one "real" lainchan vibe is really bad, for all parties involved, you're essentially dividing the community, and that's like kicking whales down the beach.You're trying to start the whole "real" lainchan discussion here, but that isn't going to help anyone. In a way, neither of the sites we have now are lainchan, and in a way they both are. Fighting over which one is the "real" lainchan is not going to help anyone. All I'm saying is that if the staff here would be better off picking a new name, because the way they're acting now is only going to divide people even more. Find a new name, and be an imageboard split off from lainchan, and let people choose which site they prefer.
We all want the same thing, a good imageboard to call home. Both sites are in their own way now trying to achieve that. Rivalry is bad. That's all I'm saying.
No.42
>By reusing a name that is still in use by the site that originally used it, you're basically saying that only one can continue to exist.
I absolutely agree with this statement.
While we're at it I'd like to mention Tsukichan, as it relates to this quite well: Why not just go down the same route as Tsukichan? They do their own thing, even though alot of them are just Lainons. They just coexist and it's pretty peaceful in the end.
No.43
>>41We're only going to be divided if we choose to be divided. Let's just pick one and be done with it. I would say let's wait and see, but we already know how that goes on dot org.
No.44
>>40Did you read my post? Because calling both sites lainchan is saying only one can exist, and forcing the community to choose a side (which, by the way, so far has resulted in everyone staying with lainchan.org and viewing this site as a traitor site).
I honestly want this board to exist. But change the name, stop trying to fuck lainchan over just because your opinions are different. Split, and coexist.
No.45
>>43What if people don't want to pick one? Why try to forcibly take the name lainchan? Everyone is seeing this site as a fraud, while it could be seen as a spinoff if it had a different name. This site might have taken off already if it wasn't for everyone hating on you guys because you're trying to stir soykaf.
>>42Indeed.
No.46
The CSS is bad, the column is really tiny, it's probably less than 50% of my screen width.
No.47
>>46>The CSS is bad, the column is really tiny, it's probably less than 50% of my screen width.The line length on lainchan.org makes it crazy hard to read anything if you keep your browser full-screen like I do. Maybe they could do % width so it actually scales with your window?
No.48
>>46>>47I personally like it. Let's not get off topic though. I was hoping we'd have staff openly responding and giving their opinion already by now. CSS is such a minor thing. Create a new thread for it if you must.
No.51
Maybe they are waiting to see what happens? They can always rename it later. In the meantime, I plan on posting here. I like where it's going too.
No.52
>>51I still don't see how that would rationalize using the name lainchan. There wouldn't be any losses changing the name to something else cyberpunk-related. A better fitting name based on some revolt in some cyberpunk work could be used for instance. It would be a better fit too.
No.53
>47>Maybe they could do % width so it actually scales with your window?That would be cool. The current css is really comfy for me.
https://nup.pw/autgSD.png No.58
The old site was stale, all of its value came from the content posted there by users who choose to post there. I didn't see the administration do anything significant to add to the value of the site, besides doing some essential routine work like deleting CP and maybe a few little quality of life improvements. Then Applesauce fucked up, and now the content, and thus most of the value in his site is gone. (I'm glad it was the founder of all people, and not some 3 letter agency a year or two later.)
He decided that it was a time to make proposals about new board layouts and where to go. Some people answered his question with this site, board layout, software, and a different way of administration in one complete and ready to deploy package. The only thing Applesauce has currently has is a well known domain name, and people defaulting on his site. People now should decide if they like the "lam r q and forever waiting.org" or "brave new world" proposal better. If the competition will do anything, it will improve infrastructure. I don't think quality posters are invested in which top domain they post on.
There have always been people who made claims about lainchan being this or that, but it always evolved faster than people trying to set it in stone. Let's not be afraid of leaving the comfy zone.
No.63
>>58I agree, actually. Yet, I'm still not sure about the name. If we really want to divert from the previous site here, why reuse the name - an action that makes this site seem like imposter lainchan (and believe me, that is how lainchan.jp is currently seen by most lainons). Why not go with 1984chan, wintermutechan, keichan, or whatever? There's plenty to pick from.
No.64
>>45>>41>>52This site is a fork out of necessity. The other site was not managed properly an suffered as a result. If you want to avoid confusion you can call .org "Applechan"
>>51While getting a new name has its advantages I think that would be creating a symbolic divide in the community. This site was created out of necessity for all of lainchan and I don't think the goal is to split the community except if Appleman gets irked.
I think keeping the name is consistent with the message I am getting after reading >>1
No.66
I wish it could be called iwakurachan.
No.67
>>58>Let's not be afraid of leaving the comfy zone.This place seems comfy enough. XD
No.72
>>65Why would they need to change the boards? Don't be ridiculous.
>>66Iwakurachan seems a good name to me.
No.73
>>64Kalyx was an apple-fan.
Now there is Appleman.
I absolutely support this idea!
>>67Considering how boring that other place is, it certainly does!
No.74
>>64>If you want to avoid confusion you can call .org "Applechan"inb4 word filter lol
No.83
>>82seems quite fitting. noposterchan would be a better name though
No.88
Is Appleman the only one to blame or the lack of offline backups of .org? Were the other mods able to make bkups or at least see the fault and ask Appleman to make them?
Would .jp be like lainchan but with more efficient management and more backups or do the admins have any other differences in mind?
I think a fork shouldn't be named lainchan, because of how I answer the question of "what's lainchan?". To me, historically, lainchan is a 4/g/cyberpunk/ spinoff site run by a vagabond where you can discuss something deeply, make community projects where even some of the mods would contribute, be a nice member reporting stuff and whatnot, and (very) ocassionally funpost pics of boiling HDs. That doesn't exist anymore so not even lainchan.org feels like lainchan to me, because the admin and mods were an important part of the thing, not just the management that owned the domain and got the technicalities done.
Alo this fork should be named librechan.
No.90
Nobody else is handling asks right now, so I'll do it.
>>88>Is Appleman the only one to blame or the lack of offline backups of .org? Were the other mods able to make bkups or at least see the fault and ask Appleman to make them?from my knowledge, nobody held Appleman accountable on backups. He was always too busy on some project or another, and I didn't want to add even more soykaf to his workload. There was also the simple miscommunication of Apple thinking darkengine was still taking backups, when he in fact was not.
>Would .jp be like lainchan but with more efficient management and more backups or do the admins have any other differences in mind?that's the plan. the only other thing I can think of decentralized services: rather than running an IRC, Mumble, imageboard, radio, and stream off the same VPS (which can be reformatted with CentOS in a lunch break), all of these services are being maintained by different people, who communicate with one another.
>I think a fork shouldn't be named lainchanNoted.
>To me, historically, lainchan is a 4/g/cyberpunk/ spinoff site run by a vagabond where you can discuss something deeply, make community projects where even some of the mods would contribute, be a nice member reporting stuff and whatnot, and (very) ocassionally funpost pics of boiling HDsDefinitely noted.
>>420ch.org is doing something similar, too.
No.97
>>94Keeping distance is not at all necessary; changing the name
right now would doom what little momentum we have now.
No.110
>>47I always use my browser fullscreen, and I want the lines to be that line. I guess I may as well keep CSS permanently disabled.
No.111
>>85Let's all love Lain.
I think Lain is much more than a simple mascot for us, she embodies the spirit of the place and we shouldn't remove her as a symbol, nor from the name.
I believe the .jp part should appear in the logo as to differentiate this place from .org. That much should be enough.
No.112
I think it's appropriate that there are multiple iterations of Lain, from a literary standpoint.
No.119
The spirit of old Lainchan lives! It's easy for you to say when you don't have to take the initiative like the old guard did here.
No.123
>>66>I wish it could be called iwakurachan.The name "lainchan" sounds good, it looks good in writing, it's simple, it's just all around perfect.
Iwakurachan is much harder to type, won't ever have the same name recognition, and fuck, I can't even say it.
No.127
>>117>be me, mexi as fuck>watch anime because of depression and bipolar anxieties>hate /g/ because if you're not a newfag that place's like forced enemas>decide to make a new imageboard because the wired meme fits in with my idea.
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>fuck with the community non-stop, scam users, be an absolut princess>still have no idea how to use gpg>nowadays the place is just a cesspool of technology larping 4ch/8ch>some people know their soykaf but they will be gone soon.
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>jerk off to screncaps of me insider trading on irc with my loyal fanbase>start thinking maybe I should have made more banners about me>realise that I still have access to an email account I shouldn't have had>wipe appleguy's soykaf up, of course he doesn't keep backups.
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>appleman panics when lainchan.jp comes up and get's cucked thanks to header magic>after some time reinstated nearly all the previous boards being afraid people will flock to .jp>14 old wizchan active posters defending the ((( old ))) lainchan>meanwhile I don't have anything to eat No.131
>>111100% this. I think the Lain name and concept aren't that easily removed the site & community.
I think the old guard would agree with this. Beyond being a site mascot, Lain is a significant cult concept.
No.170
>>127The ramblings of a madman
No.182
>>90>>88>Would .jp be like lainchan but with more efficient management and more backups or do the admins have any other differences in mind?This. Since everyone seems to be saying applejack is a bumbling fool, but not saying why. Give me examples of things he did wrong besides his assuming he wasnt going to get assraped by kalyx as soon as he drops the soap.
No.186
>>182His way of introducing himself as new owner to the userbase was to hide all the boards, and give an incredibly pompous speech about "maintaining quality". Kalyx had to ask him to return the menu…
>Yes there has been a thought process behind this decision. I could describe it, but even if I did so the description wouldn't do the thought process justice.>That said you asked for a description, so find your description below:>* More reason for lainons to build character through shared suffering, so that there are less posts that are just fighting with each other.><insert your favorite> other reason here.That and a rash of overmoderation, filters, and blocked mystery words right after he took over.
In his defence he seems to have calmed down, and now the mods here are the ones being dicks with the redirects.
No.187
>>186
>Kalyx had to ask him to return the menu…When frickin' "delete all the things" Kalyx is a voice of sensible reason, you KNOW that a decision was really really bad.
No.189
I would appreciate this place a lot more if you used chisachan.jp as your domain. And it would actually make sense too, since Chisa remained in the Wired…
No.190
>>127Thanks for the Kalyx fanfiction
No.206
>>127>cucked>(((old)))Not even a week and this place is kill.
No.219
>>186>His way of introducing himself as new owner to the userbase was to hide all the boards, and give an incredibly pompous speech about "maintaining quality".What? Where are you getting this stuff from? This is just not true.
>rash of overmoderationNothing in moderation changed after Appleman took over.
>filtersThe filters were the same ones that kalyx had. Appleman responded to people wanting them back on or off a couple of times, but that was because it was hard to gauge how much people want them.
>blocked mystery wordsThere were some issues with CP spam that needed filtering. This place is going to have the same issues with that later on.
>>117Also, >server hack
is nonsense. As far as I am aware, Junk just used his admin powers to create the redirects, which is still bad, but sticking to the facts would be much more useful.
I really would have no issue with this place existing as long as it's not Lainchan.
No.236
>>219>What? Where are you getting this stuff from? This is just not true.Not the other lainon, but I can confirm, he absolutely did. You could always ask on irc.
No.237
>>219I also remember him doing it. It didn't last long, though.
No.239
>>219he did do that.
>late April 2017> Plain and simple I had no prior access to lainchan before I received the password reset message. I installed Centos on top of the data. No plan, just a protest against the last 6 months of lainchan. When the site was sold Appleman refused help and refused to create relationships with the mods. Plenty of retarded changes have happened and almost all of the mods left since Appleman himself decided he did not need help.
>After the wipe I was trying to setup a mastodon instance for my close lain friends. Seph went on to make jp and asked for my approval. I did not really want to go either way until things were sorted out between the first lainchan. plus I've been working a fuck ton. Regardless of my actions, this was inevitable. Sure, I probably accelerated it. we had a big mumble meeting with Appleman and he was more interested in transcribing the meeting than having any type of opinion. We were recording this meeting too until appleman wanted it stopped. Basically, it was like kicking dead whales down the beach. At this point, I believe jp has more of a chance to continue Lainchans vibe. that's where I'll be and that's where you'll find mods that care and work together. I hate "yes" men. Everyone made mistakes in this situation. In the end, the statement Seph wrote on the jp homepage convinced me. kalyx@openmailbox.org No.249
>>219It seems like you weren't around for a while. Appleman DID hide all the boards and give a speech, then when the community demanded him to get them back on the navbar he said something along the lines of "against my better judgement, I put the boards back in the top bar" after everybody told him why this was an absolutely retarded decision. The only reason that he did this was because he couldn't deal with the moderation.
I found it weird, however, that with such a big mod staff, he complained about the moderation and having "to do it all by himself", now reading
>>239 I realize, he actually disregarded the mods.
He did overmoderate afterwards, and blocked a soykafload of words. I don't have too much of a problem with that, he blocked c(u)ck and n(igg)er. But in general, it did feel like an Orwellian nightmare (and I complained constatnly during that period), where you'd see a lot of posts with red texts at the bottom: "Use was warned/derezzed for this post" plus Appleman's commentary: "This is a violation of rules 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 and 13", even though in some cases, it wasn't.
In general, it was a no-fun allowed period. He was WAY too tight on moderation, to the point where we had to be on our tiptoes, not to mention that often you couldn't post and the only message was "go away, spammer" or "stop announcing adult services".
No.250
>>249I came here to give my opinion on the domain name but I ended up ranting agains some ignorant fuck who dismissed an argument because he wasn't around.
Anyway, I posted this on 8/cyber/ and I'll just paste it here:
>I've always thought that if lainchan would die, the community would gather again under some new name. These fuckers actually believe that the name is the community.But the damage is done, the lainchan.jp domain is rented, and now we have two lainchans. I hope next time someone splits, they'll have better judgement.
No.254
>>249[23:41] <@Appleman1234> Welcome to #lainchan ? How can I spoon feed you today ?
[23:42] <crash_override> Is programming an art?
[23:42] <crash_override> You could be an artist in that sense.
[23:43] <@Appleman1234> Against my better judgement the board list will be returning in the next hour
[23:43] <crash_override> :(
[23:43] <@Appleman1234> and I will go back to spoon feeding people
[23:43] <@Appleman1234> and being nice
[23:43] <nimbius> Appleman1234: 12690 is about 80 posts too long. people are calling you out on a change that had no review or input, and the best reason you could give was a condescending ' the description wouldn't do the thought process justice.'
No.258
>>254I am so fucking tired of this "Appleman can do no wrong" meme. He is condescending and passive aggressive as fuck. No one in their right mind (or hell even Kalyx) would have promoted Appleman to be an administrator, moderator, or even janitor.
The only reason he ever acquired a role in the management of lainchan is because of him being an autistic piranha lurking in #lainchan and swimming in a sufficiently large pool of money.
I just checked my own logs. He wrote a total of twelve (12) lines in #lainchan before inquiring about and aggressively pursuing the purchase of the site the instant Kalyx mentioned he was considering selling it. Lainchan was literally sold to the first bidder.
No one knew who he was. No one could vouch for him. No one vetted him. No one even spoke to him until after the sale was final and they wanted to cozy up to their new overlord.
Appleman got what he deserved. Lainchan deserves better.
No.259
>>258>The only reason he ever acquired a role in the management of lainchan is because of him being an autistic piranha lurking in #lainchan and swimming in a sufficiently large pool of money.I'm interested in exactly how much Appleman paid for the site. No specific reason other than curiosity, but now that Kalyx and AppleBottomJeans are no longer "cool" with one another it'd be interesting to finally get this out in the open.
No.260
>>259I'm even more curious as to what exactly Appleman thought he was buying.
No.261
>>254Goddamn. I'm relatively new to Lainchan, and the more I hear about Appleman the more I agree with .jp's mission statement and concept. He sounds totally unfit to run the site.
Unfortunately, humans are creatures of habit and averse to conflict, so most people will simply continue browsing and posting on applechan. Lainchan.jp will have a hard time attracting newcomers for as long as .org stands, due to the name. Most newbies aren't going to lurk far back enough to figure out the difference between the two – they're just going to stay on whichever seems to have the higher frequency of posts. Many casual Lainons who are out of the loop are just going to continue going to .org since that's the URL they've always gone to for Lainchan.
Unfortunately, I feel as if the only way this community will rightfully grow is if there's a single, central hub for it. Now, that's not to say .jp is doomed… on the contrary, that's to say there's a very clear – though unsavory – course of action that must be taken in order to preserve it. You had the idea half-right in causing the headers to redirect to .jp… all that was left is making the rest of the site unusable (also making it redirect to here if possible) so there's no question about where people should go. Basically just totally replacing it with this one. Otherwise, there will always be side-choosing and bickering and petty drama, even if this site DOES have the superior staff and vision. Sadly, that's human nature.
tl;dr
There can be only one. No.262
>>260>I'm even more curious as to what exactly Appleman thought he was buying.I'm even more curious about why he bought it.
No.268
>>262>I'm even more curious about why he bought it.The answer is obvious. He thought owning an image board would make him cool, but he also knew that if he built it himself no one would come.
If rather than buy the site Appleman started his own board, who would have went? No one. Then why should we continue to stay on applechan just because of the domain name? I don't understand the lains that are staying behind. I hope this place has a bright future.
No.269
>>263Fucking LOL
$5000 for lainchan, good deal for the seller.
I guess if you got cash an no friends you get desperate for some kind of importance.
No.275
>>261Before anybody says "well, won't that make the .jp staff/userbase look bad to filthy casuals?" allow me to respond:
Expand the "why we call ourselves Lainchan" part of the front page to include every piece of evidence detailing Appleman's general dickishness and incompetence. Include his "spoonfeeding" chatlogs, the fact that he bought the site for $5,000, etc. and, of course, DENY being responsible for anything that may happen.
applechan delenda est.
No.282
>>275>Expand the "why we call ourselves Lainchan" part of the front page to include every piece of evidence detailing Appleman's general dickishness and incompetence. Include his "spoonfeeding" chatlogs, the fact that he bought the site for $5,000, etc. and, of course, DENY being responsible for anything that may happen. We should turn those logs into lainchan.jp banners.
https://lainchan.jp/q/res/121.html#121 No.283
>>261>Attracting newcomersI wouldn't be interested in that, but then again, I am not lainchan staff and I don't know what they want.
I like small communities.
No.284
>>275I think that the people that moved here from applechan already know that Appleman sucks. We need to reach out to others.
No.285
>>284Agreed.
And
>>261 is the best idea to make sure our message is received by ALL Lainons.
Ceterum autem censeo Applechan esse delendam.
No.286
>>285That should read "Ceterum censeo applechan esse delendam," which translates to "Furthermore, I consider that Applechan must be destroyed."
oops.
No.289
>>285I don't think people realize that they had the ability to
rm -rf /
or delete all the boards, but choose not to. Are you suggesting they made a mistake?
No.290
>>289That's a loaded question.
They took a half-measure when a full-measure was needed.
At the time, a peaceful forking probably did seem like the best idea… but we've watched that play out and here are the results. For as long as Applechan stands, it will hold the lions share of the Lainchan community's posting and users.
No.291
>>290>At the time, a peaceful forking probably did seem like the best idea… but we've watched that play out and here are the results. For as long as Applechan stands, it will hold the lions share of the Lainchan community's posting and users.The question is, do we really want that? If we continue to attract lains interested in more intelligent discussion, perhaps we can leave applechan for brewing soykaf.
No.294
>>289Junk has publicly stated on his twitter they were able to rm -rf / , but chose not to because they wanted to give lains a choice. but even without that verification, how hard is it to find the "delete board" button on vichan?
No.310
>>294I think you misunderstood my post.
No.328
>>310ah sorry. I misread.
No.329
The raison d'etre for this place is that the mods here are more competent than Appleman, but let's keep it classy and try not to roast him too much. As a sperg, I don't like it when "autistic" people are bullied. He may have shown how unfit he is to be admin, but let's keep the personal attacks on his character to a minimum.
No.332
>>329>He may have shown how unfit he is to be admin, but let's keep the personal attacks on his character to a minimum.I'm a mod and I approve this message.
No.465
>258
> Lainchan deserves better
I sure hope you're not implying that the person that sold lainchan is better than the one that bought it.
