/q/ - arisuchan meta

>>2274

I don't think it's forbidden. I will say this, I don't feel confortable about loli and I don't think it's legal in my country and the point of posting this on a cyberpunk/lainchan orianted website is kinda of confusing to me. However i will not delete or spoiler any as long as it's not represented in a sexual way.

To give you an example a few days ago someone posted a sort of sex robot looking like a child topless, I've deleted the image not only does the image didn't fit the post but could be compromising for the website I think. This is my opinion only and doesn't reflect the opinion of the Admins. It's just seems like common sense to me because the point of the website isn't to attract these type of people. However if the image isn't one of UNDERAGE character in sexual behavior I don't think there is a problem for it as long as the sexual image of MATURE character are in NSFW spoiler.

This is how i deal generally with loli image. Hope it answer your question.

>>2275
I respect that if that was always the precedent here. What annoys me is how people seem to have an issue with a drawing, something that is fictional and anybody with a pencil could make. Even I could draw some crewd loli. Not only that, but the age of fictional, or any drawn character, is totally arbitrary. If I labeled a character that looks like a little girl 36 years old, does that somehow change anything? As for attracting, "those kinds of people", saya no uta has loli, gunbuster has lots of topless scenes, pretty sure those girls weren't eighteen either. Loli and lewd stuff on general is intrinsically tied with this sub-culture and seeing an inflix of people who don't seem to understand that is sad. Western, active prudishness when it comes to these kinds of things seems completely ridiculous to me. In the west, people actively try to ban and censor everything that disagrees with their arbitrary moral codes. Anything that makes them, "uncomfortable", even when it has zero effect on real people. Relevancy to this board isn't the issue, the issue is with freedom. I know complaining about it is pointless and I don't expect you to chnage your approach to this, but i'm very disappointed and wanted to get my thoughts out.

>>2276
Relevancy is the issue though. If it relates to the board then whatever. Straight shota cyberpunk is the true schway taste.

>>2277
I'm actually more of a ss man myself, but loli pisses off people more often, so I like to talk about it. It's really a matter of principle for me more than wanting to post loli. If you could point me to a decent english board or even forum for discussion where loli is allowed that would be great. I haven't found any and going from one place to another after inevitable alienation is getting really. old.

>>2278
Loli bored me after I was a little older and found homocidal waifus. I still reread this futa/loli doujin because it brought my marriage back together. If you found this place you should not have much issue. There are a few irc channels which will provide good direction.

>>2279
I'm a newbie to this kind of stuff and i've never used irc before. I haven't and still don't have an interest in any kind of instant chat. This place isn't that obscure.

We left applechan because they were supporting pedo scum there, so I suggest going there, or even better, hanging yourself.

>>2280
Neither are the communities. If you are going to be degenerate then at least do the bare minimum.
>>2282
Don't be stupid.

>>2282
>apple chan
I saw people talking about it, but I couldn't find anything besides a dead irc.
>>2283
>degenerate
>hang yourself
Says in your rules you're not supposed to act like you're on the moral high ground. How exactly is this place better than tumblr, 4chan, 8chan, reddit, etc? Apparently thinking people can draw whatever they want makes me a bad person. There's nothing rational or intelligent about being unable to differentiate between reality and fiction. Why exactly is your definition of "degenerate", or "scum" more valid than other people's? If I labeled something like all porn, or calling somebody a glitterboy, degenerate, and told you to keep it to a minimum, would you like that?

>>2284
Man you really are a newbie. /d/engenerate is a title of praise. Don't be such a baby. Have a goodnight.

>>2276
There is also a large element of context that needs to be considered. Generally the trend here has been to not have any porn, photography or illustration, child or adult. Its simply not what this board is about. Maybe there is nothing intrinsically wrong with what you're posting, but you wouldnt go to an origami forum to trade advice about cooking. Nor should you come here for your lewd images.

I could imagine some contexts in which tasteful nudity could be present in images posted here. Speaking for myself, I dont think porn would ever belong here.

>>2285
Wasn't really responding to you, but more the general impression I got.
>>2287
I can understand that.
Anyway, a lot of people who try to surround themself with some kind of, "freedom centric", culture, such as cyperpunk, or "altright", seem to only value freedom of creative expression and speech when it comes to stuff they personally enjoy and care about., but less people value freedom for its own sake. As soon as you step on their toes and violate their sensibilities, suddenly things become different like with
>>2282
I want to find a place where people have my kind of mindset, but are also interested in real discussion. Maybe other native english speakers are a waste of time.

>>2288

Ehh I think you are just being kind of silly, there is a time and a place for everything. There are really neat topics I would love to discuss here but I don't because I know they would make some people feel uncomfortable, even if they do fit the theme of the site and /cyb/ culture in general.

I don' t think there is ever going to be a clearnet site where you can or really should discuss certain topics, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

That said, if there was loli on this site, I wouldn't use it, not that it violates MY sensibilities, but that it has almost a reverse-chilling effect. You create a reverse-chilling effect by posting it here because I assume you are some TLA plant trying to get at people. I could care less about what kind of pictures people post, if I didn't automatically assume that people who post your type of material were actually agents trying to entrap people.

>>2289
Time and place for everything, huh? Why do people need to hunt for places for certain things? I've been hearing so much lately about comfort and keeping people comfortable. Why? Why are people so wrapped up in comfort? I thought getting out of your comfort zone was a good thing. Ideally, nothing should make somebody uncomfortable. People should get less sensitive with age, not more.

Before today, I didn't even know about the chilling-effect. This is the first i've hear about it. People say I sound like a fed a lot and I don't get why.

>>2290
Only Alphabet soup would be so clueless without becoming endearing.

>>2291
If there's something I don't understand, please explain it to me.

>>2292
you're making unreasonable demands not only to an audience who is not interested, but also to a web service being provided to you free of charge, as-is.

of all the places on the internet you can go for the content you're looking for, this is where you want to start that same tired freedom and "challenging norms" argument about this kind of content.

>>Time and place for everything, huh? Why do people need to hunt for places for certain things? I've been hearing so much lately about comfort and keeping people comfortable. Why? Why are people so wrapped up in comfort?
This is dreck. Why does this site, its users, or anything else in the world need to go out of its way for -your- comfort in particular? If you have such an issue with others' unwillingness to engage in things they're not interested in, turn that question inward on yourself for the answer.

>>2290
I don't understand why you think "nothing should make [anyone] feel uncomfortable" this seems like it really doesn't apply to anyone, I can't think of a single person for instance where I couldn't find SOMETHING that would make them uncomfortable. This is just basic human nature.
>>2288
Cyberpunk and crypto-anarchist things are very 'freedom centric', but the whole point of the ideology is that in order to gain that freedom, you must fight for it by using heavy encryption, free software, and other techniques which free you. You are right in that I only care about the freedoms and speech I specifically care about, but by working on cryptography software, I am aiding those who care about other things which also require encryption. Just because we are both interested in freeing ourselves doesn't mean I should care about your soykaf. I don't give two fucks about the free speech that a Chinese national wants to use encryption for personally, but I will still work on multi-use platforms that they might use and fight for their ability to use them.

That said you sound like a fed trying to stir up soykaf.

>>2293
I'm not making any kind of demands and I didn't intend for this thread to become an argument. But anyway, it's easy to have that kind of minset when you've got plenty of places(or at least here) that caters to your niche, but when you're in my kind of position where pretty much everywhere rejects your ideals, it's harder to see things that way. Again, I don't expect or want any changes to this specific site to be made. What i'm looking for isn't content, it's people.
>>2294
By not being uncomfortable with anything, I meant fictional stuff like books and pictures. My wording was vague. I understand the value of what you're doing, but what about when freedoms aren't curtailed by governments or anybody with tangible power, but instead by culture and common people? There's no tool to help with that.

>>2295
>ideals

Maybe ask yourself why you take artwork of nude children so seriously that you have build a set of 'ideals' around it dude. You are talking like it is the end of the world or somehow philosophically important to you that people aren't interested in pedophilia.

>>2296
Yeah, trying to simplify it to the point of stupidity. People do that a lot. It's not about loli. What's important to me is the belief that anybody should be allowed to draw whatever they want and make it public. You ask people if they agree with that, and a lot of them would say they do because they don't think about the implications. Loli is important because it's an extension of that, but the vast majority get hung up on it for bs reasons. People place arbitrary feelings above a priciple so fundamental to freedom and myself. Even people, or the people I've found at least, who say they don't have a problem with it in an abstract sense want to keep it out of their own little space.

>>2297

I think anyone should be able to draw whatever they want, you are correct I agree with that fully. I even think you should draw loli if that is what makes you happy or whatever. But at the same time, that doesn't mean I have to look at your loli art dude. I don't have to look at any art if I don't want to, if we wanted to we could ban furry art, or photographs of nude statues of adults, or andy warhol paintings. Your freedom to draw soykaf has nothing to do with a public forum space and the whims of the people who inhabit it.

If you really care that strongly make your own honeypot. Opps I meant to type imageboard site* that's my mistake, I'm a clumsy typist.

>>2298
>that doesn't mean I have to look at your loli art dude. I
Sure, I don't expect you or anybody to look anything they don't want to. The problem is that everybody is like you and nobody is like me. I don't have the money, resources, or know how to make an imageboard of my own, but i've been thinking about. It's disheartening to think it would have to come to that though and if there's an alternative, I would prefer it.

>What i'm looking for isn't content, it's people.
shiiiiit, get the fuck out of here, this is some fucking cointelpro garbage talk.

>>2299
You seem either supremely dumb and naive, or are an TLA representative.

>>2301
If anything I've written is stupid, could you actually give some reasons for it?

>>2302
If you want pedophilia, go to the many numerous pedophilia communities all over the darknets that cater to this soykaf already and chat with them. The fact that you want to post something that is at best a contentious gray area legally and at worst completely illegal, on the clearnet? That says you are either a retard that wants to end up arrested, or a federal agent. Either way please stay far the fuck away from me. If you don't see why this is dumb I can't help you dude.

>>2303
>not distinguishing between cp and loli
Seriously? I don't know where you live, but people aren't arrested for this soykaf where I am. There's already numerous easily findable porn sites on the clearnet with loli on it and most of whatever trouble they get is from foreign governments who want to ip block them as far as I know. If that's already a thing, how is a clearnet imageboard that allows loli out of the question?

Holy soykaf did this blow up out of proportion.

>>2276
Saya no Uta Is an eldritch monster and she look pretty mature she is what we could consider loli mature or simply use the term small girl which is actually a type of body of a mature woman. Either way she doesn't have an age which mean legally speaking can't be illegal.

>>2304
I don't know what to tell you… You're looking for content in the very wrong place and you call us close minded because we don't like loli or don't see the point of posting porn in a website that doesn't have anything to do with porn. Loli are into this gray area where we don't know if it's consider CP or just regular porn.

>>2284
Your doing the same.

>>2288
I'm not ready to support something that could be potentially illegal and categorize as CP.

>>2290
Being out of our comfort zone is a good thing yes. Being face against something illegal that you don't stand behind is another.

>>2295
Again, Being challenge by something out of our comfortable zone is one thing. But when this challenge can potentially land you in prison is another.

>>2299
>>2297

I agree with you. You should be allow to do everything you want. You make a choice. The law right now is ambiguous about loli so if you decide to make said art fine but live with the consequences that you could go to prison and some people don't want to. Nobody is like you because some people don't want to look at prepubescent girls.

>>2304
Do you see a lot of people saying out loud in the street that they love to beat their meet at prepubescent girls? I don't either.

All of this to say that our website is clear we allow loli as long as their MATURE and related to said post you're making. UNDERAGE girl in sexual behavior are forbidden PERIOD.

>>2299
for less than 50 euro, you can settup a Tor HS on your own hardware and use it to host this stuff using whatever internet connexion you have. Will it be great ? maybe no, but it would work, and its not that hard.

If you need advice on how to do this then ask us. I'm sure people here can help you to do it.

>>2304

Just so you know, almost every English speaking western country makes what you are talking about illegal and have arrested people for exactly this content, including Australia, United Kingdom, South Africa, Canada, and the United States in some instances. Implying that this is not the case, makes you sound either ignorant or malicious. Here is a reference, but I don't care to argue specifics about what is a very clear fact with lots of case history to back it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors

>>2303
Pedophile spotted. Only pedophiles claim that loli and pedophilia are the same. Please kill yourself as soon as possible.

>>2308

This is what i fear of this thread. We're not here to do a witch hunt. There was questions ask and it was answer.

That was the problem I was trying to describe, it a weird situation we're in because this is a simple conversation that i don't want to censor or delete, but at the same time legally speaking this fall into a gray area where this could be potentially interpret as helping CP getting out there because we said how to host it… Anyway I really don't know what to do with that.

I will let it be for the moment but if this is getting to explicit i will have to delete it. If you have suggestion let me ear them.

>>2308
Pedophile spotted. Only pedophiles claim that loli and pedophilia are different. Please kill yourself as soon as possible.

>>2312
I'm fairly certain most who like lolis or moe aren't sexually attracted to literal children.

>>2305
I don't really have anything to say to this post. I appreciate you leaving this thread up as it has made for a good conversation in my eyes. I don't agree with shirking away from "legally grey areas", especially when it's as innocuous and ultimately inconsequential as drawings. I don't intend to bring loli onto this site and I don't expect you to change anything.
>>2306
If I ever feel that's the only option, i'll take the advice.
>>2307
Yeah, well most western countries are backwards. In the US, people in certain areas have been arrested for attempting to collect/distribute physical media with loli in it, a lot of time in bulk. That's what's to my understanding. But as far as online activity goes, I have no idea, especially when nothing is downloaded.
>>2308
>>2312
Either way doesn't matter. If a drawing is enough to be make someone a pedophile, the label of pedophile becomes completely insignificant. I in no way condemn the abuse of flesh and blood children and that should be enough. Keep in mind I feel exactly the same about guro. Whether I like, or dislike, or are indifferent to something doesn't change my approch to it. I'm not going to keep posting in this thread as there's nothing left to be said and keeping it going any more is pointless. Thank you all.

>>2312
Kill yourself you fucking degenerate pedo.