/q/ - arisuchan meta

I think arisu telegram chat definitely has some problems with the power some users got not so far ago. I'm posting this here since this is somehow a neutral platform in comparison to telegram, where you have an identity, so we can speak right on the subject without extra problems. In second I don't want to affect personality.

So, the problem is people, the part of the arisuchan community, are getting derezzed. Why? Because they had a courage to express and defend their views. I'm not the one who was muted or derezzed, but I find it outrageous.

Let's consider what Seph said about the current situation:
> This is not a democracy. We are not a country. We do not have a constitution. We do not give you inalienable rights. Your welcome here is not unconditional.
What many consider censorship of speech is actually curation of content. By deleting messages and banning users, we are not disenfranchising anyone of their right to free public speech. We are asserting our right to curate the content of our private community as we see fit. Without adequate curation, every single Telegram group would devolve into /b/. That is obviously not what we want here.

What do you people see in the curation of the content? I agree when a nazi or definitely toxic soykaf brewers are getting derezzed. Nazi is harmful in any way he shows himself to the others, toxic people do nothing except for ruining people's mood and discussions. In such situation, moderator is just doing his actual job: he defends the community and doesn't let it slowly degrate into a sort of /b/. Here, community agrees with him.

What's about the current community, the stable, core community, which is getting derezzed or muted because they said something """wrong"""? Something controversial. You see, if a moderator finds your views to be conflicting with his own ones, he just directly tells you to shut up. In his opinion, you by definition cannot defend your views with arguments that you've provided, which he finds to be false or inconclusive. But let's remember: he does not agree with you the same as with yours ideology. Pretty much every argument that you'll provide will mean nothing to him and will be inconclusive, since it's a contradiction to his established, long-lived views, what means you will get derezzed if you would try to continue the conversation. You either should agree with him, or you must keep silence.

Seph wrote the words above when almost the whole community was against the totalitarian soykaf was happening in the chat that time. So, to sum it up, moderators basically was acting against the interests of the community.

In the group there was a dude who said some words related to anarcho-capitalism. I, too, find ancap ideology to be retarded, but still I think he has the right to express his own views and opinions. Even if that sounds retarded. Let's remember that his views is not his entire personality. He was a pretty decent dude who was participating in the group chat since 2017 or even earlier.
He did nothing bad to the group chat. He did nothing to make it 'devolve into /b/'. However, it was enough to him to say 'taxes is theft' to get derezzed. For another dude it was enough to ignore PM message to get a threat to be derezzed. Another time there was a restriction because someone did not act the way the moderator wished.

In the case of ancap guy, no one even had a time to ask him why he thinks so. He just suddenly was kicked out the group. I'm writing this post because he just got derezzed again, when he re-joined the group. He just wrote that he didn't notice the ban and yep, it was 'fixed'.

So, what does this mean? You're welcome only if you shut your fuck up or say things which only gets aligned with the views of the ones, who has the power? You are not allowed to make any act which someone with the power finds to be agressive, even if you are not.

What's about the democracy part? You are not a country, but there must be some rules of judgement. What does it mean when the most part of the community is against moderator actions? Does it mean that the biggest, active part of the community is suddenly not welcome here anymore, since they disagree the content not even harmful is being filtered? Am I unwelcome here since I want people to see they express themselves, not create a typical /r/eddit echo chamber where you just post anti-trump things to get the free karma?
It just kills the entire point of any conversation. No one would say a soykaf now since you in such case you will definitely get PMed with the proposal to shut your fuck up, you stupid. Are you going to do anything with that or my post is also going to be removed? That's not a pathos, I just cannot tell if mods here have any difference.